Thanks Kelly.

Mike

thanks both of you.

on my settings > remove media manager IS 6.8mb, however i have another entry there for

microsoft sql server desktop engine (sony_mediamgr) (69.07mb)

which is which and can i delete this as well?

leslie (ushere)

Media Manager stores all of your information in an SQL database. SONY chose to use Microsoft's database product for this. Unless you know you already had this installed for some other uses, it's probable that only Media Manager is using it. It should be safe to delete it.

And if you ever re-install, stop the installation when it gets to media manager. It will complain a little, but the installation of the Sony product will finish without the SQL bloat being installed.

I am just shocked and amazed that in a day of 500 Gigabyte hard drives that 69 MB of hard drive space is called “bloat”. Nothing personal John because everyone who hates the Media Manager says the same thing, but it makes be laugh at the lunacy of it all.

Adobe Acrobat Reader takes 62MB. Is that bloat?

Quicktime 7 runtime is 67MB! Is that bloat?

The Java J2SE Runtime for your stinking web browser is 119MB? Is that Bloat?

At 69MB, the Microsoft SQL Server Desktop Engine is down right small. It is a shared runtime component so it actually saves you disk space in the long run because many applications can use it and it only needs to be installed once.

If you have Vegas and ACID, it is still only installed ONCE. Now it’s only 34.5MB per application. Is that still bloat? (because I can’t imagine using ACID without either)

If you disable it in Vegas it is NEVER loaded into memory so all you are saving is 69MB of disk space on your 80,000MB drive. That is 0.0086% of your drive space. Hardly worth waiting for the right moment to press the cancel button during an installation if you ask me.

I’ve honestly never heard so much whining and gnashing of teeth over an infinitesimal amount of disk space.

~jr

I guess it must just be the principle of the thing.

You mention Acrobat as needing 62MB. It really bothers me that a previous version, Acrobat4, takes 5.2MB and does almost exactly the same job. Okay, so let's say a version of Acrobat a couple of years from now requires 620MB. Doesn't it strike you that there is some gross inefficiency somewhere?

I have no axe to grind in the MediaManager issue. I looked at it briefly and concluded that it was not worth the effort to learn it in order to keep track of my video clips. I seem to manage reasonably well with Windows folders. But to each his own.

Incidentally, I recently removed Quicktime and replaced it with QuicktimeAlternative. It's 11.7MB, and works really well...

I removed the Media Manager via the WinXP Control Panel (Add, Remove Programs)... but now when Vegas comes up it whines that there's an error with Media Manager and that it won't be able to start.

Is there a way to get Vegas to stop whining about it?

(I created a System Restore point in Windows before uninstalling the MM, just in case I have to go back and try another approach...)

I guess Vegas is making a call to it still? I guess you'll need to stop it doing that? I guess you could take a look at Options > Preferences and unclick "Enable Media Manager" and the one above that? Maybe?

Ah, thankya, Grazie.

I had missed noticing that option-box, lurking down at the bottom of the preferences/options where you have to scroll down to see it.

Deselecting it stops Vegas' whining, and makes Vegas launch significantly faster.

Ernie

JohhnyRoy,

Yeah, those are all bloated pigs, too. For the functionality they provide, I can't for the life of me understand why Adobe Acrobat or JAVA need more than a dozen or so MB. It seems that over 80% of the install is just "support files" or other junk that probably only gets used .001% of the time.

Vegas is a really clean and streamlined product. The main executable is only 7.5 MB, plus a few small DLLs and configuration files. The rest is all plug-in DLLs and help files. Considering how sophisticated Vegas is, as compared to Acrobat Reader, for example, such a small installation footprint is impressive.

I recently had to install Oracle 10g at work. The download file was 622MB. Good grief! I dunno how much space it's taking up now that it's installed. The really annoying thing was that i had to also grab about 30MB of other libraries from 3rd parties that were required and not included. How could a 622MB install file still be missing 30MB of other stuff?

My boss and i were gnashing our teeth over the fact that we already have MySQL installed on the same server and it does everything we need in only 4MB or so. Sadly, the messaging software we need to use won't access MySQL hence the need for Oracle.

Oracle 9i was only about 80MB. Oracle 8 was only about 25MB. Oracle 7 was o nly about 6MB. What ever happened to programmers taking pride in efficiency? OK, true, Oracle 10g has a few zillion new features. It can even act as it's own OS if you let it. We don't need any of that. Can we get 10g as just the core database without all the other unnecessary stuff? Nope. Not available.