Media Size handled diff if "Legacy AVC Decoder" isn't used! RE: Neat

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 5/14/2025, 8:28 PM

REF: I believe this is related to a prior thread, but is a different topic:

Project Setup/Background:

  • Vegas Version: Latest V22 build
  • Project is 1080p60
  • Media: Most media is 1080p60. My wide cam is 4Kp30
  • Render Format: Magix AVC 1080p59.94
  • Setting we'll be discussing: File I/O "Use Legacy AVC Decoder"
  • Add-in discussed: Neat Video v6.5

Observed Problem:

NEAT is applied to some of the 4K wide events, to the LEFT of Pan/Crop. I'm using a saved profile that was sampled while using a project that was set to 4K on that same camera media.

  1. During playback, sometimes the preview window shrinks the image to 1/4 of the preview display, top-left corner, then it jumps back to properly fill the preview.
  2. When rendering, that 4K wide event is rendering filling only the top-left 1/4 of the output (2nd image above)

Troubleshooting and Finding!!

I changed various Vegas and Neat settings to reproduce and eliminate this problem. In the process, I found something very interesting that may reveal an underlying problem with the newer Vegas Decoder... read on!

  1. The following made no difference (same results)
    1. Changing Render profile (using AMD or not)
    2. Changing the selected Hardware Decoder (RX470 or Intel 630)
    3. Changing Neat Video to only use CPU vs CPU+GPU
       
  2. The following resulted in correct render:
    1. Disabling Neat Video on that event
    2. --> Enabling Legacy AVC Decoding

Enabling Legacy AVC Decoding fixed this problem.

I then noticed something else that I believe is related to the thread mentioned at the top. I think this is significant.

  • When Legacy AVC Decoding is checked -- Looking at the "General" info in Neat, it properly shows the event is 4K

     
  • When Legacy AVC Decoding is UNchecked -- Looking at the "General" info in Neat, it incorrectly shows the event at 1080p

 

It seems something about the new decoder is incorrectly handling the 4K event as it passes it (or info about it) to Neat Video.

I suspect this is the root cause of the problem here.

Thoughts?

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Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

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Gid wrote on 5/14/2025, 10:59 PM

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns Does it matter which Preview option is chosen? I don't have Neat but I know Boris recommend (Full) for Vegas & AE when using Mocha ..

Vegas Pro 18 - 22
Vegas Pro/Post 19
Boris Continuum & Sapphire, 
Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, 
Boris Optics,
NewBlue TotalFX
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans
Dell SE3223Q 31.5 Inch 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor, 60Hz, & an Acer 24" monitor.

At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro Hero11 Black

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

 

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 5/14/2025, 11:09 PM

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns Does it matter which Preview option is chosen? I don't have Neat but I know Boris recommend (Full) for Vegas & AE when using Mocha ..

I have it set to Best (Full), and I haven't changed that value in any of my tests.

Project setting also has Full-Resolution Rendering Quality set to Best, and render templates are set to use the project settings.

Curiously after changing it to Preview (Auto) after reading your question, I forgot to change it back to Best (Full) and timeline playback started doing that same 1/4-preview jumping thing -- on a 1080p (not 4K!!) clip, while legacy decoding was turned on.

So maybe there are two different problems at play here?
 

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Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

Gid wrote on 5/14/2025, 11:16 PM

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns Ok, it was just a thought 👍

Vegas Pro 18 - 22
Vegas Pro/Post 19
Boris Continuum & Sapphire, 
Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, 
Boris Optics,
NewBlue TotalFX
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans
Dell SE3223Q 31.5 Inch 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor, 60Hz, & an Acer 24" monitor.

At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro Hero11 Black

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner