Once you've mastered this, you could have 2 vid clips playing "into" each other. That is a moving mirror image of the same clip, facing each other! Then, I suppose, you could keep adding multiple vid clips and cover the page with them!

Crazy Grazie!

Now that sounds cool!

Don't it just!

Think of something really wild - find a solution in VF! No, I don't mean the Matrix... but with a little sideways thinking.... try using the "Neagtive" colour options as well.... one side true colour other side neg ... wow! Go for a golden or silver hue.... start blending colours and the OLD MOvie scratchy thingy.... VF may have a simple collection of Fxs .... however play with the stuff.... you can also start stringing "collections" to together.... I'm starting to use VF like a paint-box... film anything... boiling water..... plane trails in the sky..... grasses moving..... there are a gazillion options out there... it's knowing where to start sometimes ..... oh yeah, and it's knowing where to stop as well.... Picasso "Less is More"......

Hey I've got to get some sleep, I'm painting a backdrop for a pantomine all day tommorrow, AND in the open air brrrrrr....

Grazie

Grazie, sorry for being dense, but I'm having trouble picturing that. What do you have to do? I'm ok with the idea of copying and then reversing a clip, it's what happens next that I don't get. It's a bit like the activity at the end of a project plan that says "And then a miracle happens".

Cheers

Ian G.

Such are the limitations of the written word! Ian, I wish we were teleconferecing.

If it is the section about creating "mirroring" images read below. If it is something else, be a bit more specific - that's strong coming from me!

Ahem - this is going to be tricky... maybe not.... here goes:-

Imagine the Film Frame. Okay? Reduce the size of the "Normal" clip, in Pan/Crop, so that it will fit snuggly in one half of the Film "F"rame, so that you can get it all in, but in one half, okay? Look, you are going to get a lot of "black" around this. Just stay with it for the moment. Now, using the same clip Copy it and Paste it onto some "spare" timeline - someways down the track. Okay. Ungroup this second clip and remove any audio, you wont need this audio because it is clip 1 [oh, there's a thought, does the audio get reversed as well!? Nah, I wouldn't think so] . Now Move this 2nd clip onto the spare vid track. To keep things in "step" make sure both clips are aligned above each other. I started from the far Left edge of the timeline [00:00:00,0]. Now, what you should have are 2 vid clips, exactly the same, one above the other. Yes? Good. This 2nd clip is the one we are going to play with. Okay. On this 2nd clip do the "flip" - so the 2nd clip is "mirroring" the first - in Pan/Crop. We now have 2 clips. One is Normal and one is flipped. You've already reduced its original "F"rame size. Position second clip so that it remains horizontally IN PLACE relative to the first clip AND is visually, in the "F"rame, AND butted-up to the first. You might need to switch between Clip 1 and Clip 2 to align them the way you want to. I do this by keeping the clips playing in the Preview window on a Loop playback so I can see my adjustments taking immeadiate effect. Alright - we now have 2 clips that will run "together" BUT it will appear that what is happening in clip 1 is being "mirrored" in clip 2 AND at the same time. Neat eh!

I've then rendered this section - the 2 clips - and brought this rendered "Mirroring" clip back to the timeline; got rid, or moved the previous intial "creation" clips someways down the timeline, to give me space up against the far left starting position [00:00:00,0] and placed it on vid track 1. Now then, copy THIS same mirroring clip and paste THIS into vid track 2. Woah! What I've now produced is akin to a kalaidescope [is that how you spell it? I don't think so...] effect of the original, copied 4 times and appearing in the 4 Quadrants of the "F"rame. What I've also done is to then flip "vetically" the clip on track 1 upside down. Sooooo.... Clip 2 appears correctly "upright" and clip 1 appears as if it is a reflection of clip 2. Phew....! Reflections.... Hmmmmm... Now there's another idea!

Of course you can now reeeallly get clever and start messing about with colours and negatives of the clips. When I say "start messing about" I do mean if you want to apply an Fx to one of the original clips, you WILL need to do this PRIOR to any rendering - you can't apply Fx stuff to part of the rendered half-mirrored-clip, you just need to have some project management plannning 'bout this.

Ian, give it a go. It does work. Sorry for rushing ahead and getting enthusiastic about this, but I've spent the last 3 days project managing some stuff in London, and I wanted to get this VF "sketched" idea out of my head and share it with y'll - I needed to have some fun. However, thanks for asking the question. Nothing like needing to spell things out, to get it clear in one's own mind. VF should really be paying me for this stuff. Bet this will apear in a "How to! The Xmas Manual To Having Fun With VF" - ooh er! Ian, do you work for SoFo?! Nah, you've got a truly healthy scepticism 'bout project managment [is that how you spell management? Who kares, just get the eydeas out and share them - it werkz fer me].

If anybody else has read this stuff, I just wrote, please give me some feedback - positive is good -We Do Positive! I need it to keep going and typing it up! I've been at it since 4:30am, it's now 6:30am and I've got a full day painting a backdrop, in the open, .....where it will propably rain,...... we won't have the colours I want, ....... the sandwiches will get soggy, ........... the cat will whoopsy somewhere on the canvas, I won't win the Lottery [ never buy a ticket anyway, perhaps that's why], ...... Arsenal will remain at the top of the football league and.... and ...... I'll get a flat tyre. Humpff! I need some more sleep.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Grazzzzzzzzzie...............

Still here... and awake.

Small adjunct to the last G-Post.

On Kalaidescoping: Render your first 2 clip "Mirror" effect with them at the top of the frame. This will give you your Mirror effected clips a large area of "black" in the lower half of the frame. When you've rendered the first 2 clips get them into Pan/Crop. Move them so that they are "visible" at the bottom of the "F"rame - you'll realise you need to do this, as the lower portion of said "2 clip render" has Black on ITS lower half. You don't want this "Black" in frame because when you place the next clip, the black would have obscured what's below or above, depending on how you placed them in Pan/Crop. Yes? Then as before, but this time the lower clip is flipped vetically, so that the "waste" black is apparent out of frame, and should be way way at the top AND out of frame.

What this all means, is that I've got 4 clips in a Kaledescope effect centred around a central frame mid point; all refelcting each other; in sync and a method, if I want, to create further effects maybe with the centre "off-set" ie I'm not rigidly bound by a kalaedescope Plug-In effect - not that there is one in VF. Oh go on, some smarty pants is going to tell me now "Grazie why didn't you use VF Fx effect that does what you say in half the time. "Go on make my day. You feeling lucky, are you ...?"

Well, I hope thats cleared up that then! More coffee.... zzzzzzzzz

Grazie

Grazie,

You drink too much coffee!

Grazie

Thanks for that, it's exactly what I wanted (I do positive too)! As luck has it, I can use this for my current project. I did a sponsored abseil last weekend and I've got video of me and a friend descending. I'll try reversing one of us and showing both descents simultaneously.

Cheers

Ian G.

IanG/Grazie,
How about posting one of those mirror clips onto Chienworks site. I'd really like to see the result. Excellent posts on this. Learning with every review. Keep up the great work.
Randy

Thank you very much Randy! Remember "The 39 Steps to PiP!" [PiP = Picture In Picture]

Y'know, when I stumble on an idea in this remarkable software, I think - "Well I'm sure everyone else must KNOW this too, it'll be like like telling people what the know already".

It would be really good if SoFo captured some of our stuff and put it in a "How To" or "Projects ToDo!" Online tutorial. Seen the VV tutorial - bit dry SoFo! C'mon we could have a real larf if you could do a "funny" tutorial. Ah go on, you've got the talent in the company to do it - AND you've had plenty of "Ideas" from us lot - eh?

It's only when someone says "How do I ....." that I put my thinking cap on and well....

Grazie

Randy, good idea - I've learned a lot from that site. Thanks to everyone involved, especialy Chienworks for running it!

Cheers

Ian G.

I've submitted a very very short kaleadescope piece for Chienworks attention.

Thanks for pushing me Randy.

Grazie

It did indeed catch my attention. Kewl!

Grazie,
Just checked out the clip. Great effect and that camera quality was excellent also. Thanks all for the tutorial.
Randy

Yep, the new Canon XM2 is amazing. Flourite lens; manual dual audio control [2 audio knobs!]; nearly 0.5mpixies [pixies IS a joke!]; user preset functions for all adjustable paramaters; 3 ambient audio settings; 20x "non-digital" zoom and lots more. I'm really tempted.

Grazie

Grazie, i must apologize to you! I had upgraded the OS on my web server last week, and this introduced a bug that made it impossible for people to leave notes at my video sharing site. Several people have attempted to leave comments about your video but were unable to. The problem has been fixed now, so hopefully whoever they were will go back and comment again.

I've posted a short clip, but it didn't work out as planned! My friend and I had both been framed centrally, so I could either fill the frame but leave out the subjects (you may wish I'd taken that option!) or I could include the subjects but leave a letterbox effect.

Cheers

Ian G.

Yo Kelly,

Glad you got that fixed. I attempted several times, just posted successfully. Looking forward to more.

By the way, in case others haven't noticed, Chienworks site now has a counter for how many folks have viewed each show. WOW! Lots of folks (hundreds) are checking the clips out. This is really getting big! Thanks again Chienworks!
Randy

Chienworks - I thought it was my "fan" problem again! Nah only joking ;)

Of course I was very excited to read "Notes" from others on my very first clip on your site, sooooo..... I think I retried it 'bout 20 times! Boo Hoo! Nobody wanted to leave any messages. I'll go in the garden and eat worms.

However, I tried your site just now - Tuesday 15 October 06:58am - and couldn't even get into your main page. Hey Ho just loooove this IT stuff.

I look forward to reading and seeing the other clips as a result of the Kalaedescoping option/s.

Keep it up Chienworks - From your "PAL" pally,

Grazie

Ian, is this letterboxing in the Kalaedescoping thingy?

If this is the case, I had this too, but I then thought 'bout it corrected it. I would need to view what you've done - once Chienworks site is active again.

See yah!

Grazie

Grrrrr. I need a real connection line. Anyone want to help me fund a T-1 circuit? ;)