Mixing in Vegas VS Fruity Loops

Reign wrote on 10/19/2004, 6:51 AM
I use fruity for my sequencing, and mixing...I'm just wondering if anyone else does and what my advantages would be if I were to mix in vegas instead. Is it going to sound different? Meaning sound quality after rendering?

I think their mixer is pretty nice (fL) so I don't know why I'd want to export each track and mix in vegas....

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PeterVred wrote on 10/19/2004, 7:21 AM
I had used fruity before myself and had no idea it could record digital audio directly into itself and allow mixing back out. Are you sure about this?

As I remember, it had decent drum sounds and some odd effect/synth pads and things, but no real "recording" functions. It is a sequencer, so I don't see how you could "export" a sequence into vegas.

Anyway, Vegas is not a midi sequencing program. It is meant for digital audio and is a simple yet awesome app. It surprises me to see it and fruity loops in the same sentence.
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drbam wrote on 10/19/2004, 7:38 AM
The editing power in Vegas far surpasses almost all other apps and therefore makes it a much superior mixing tool than FL. Whether you would use or need Vegas's features in your mixing is purely subjective. Personally, I'd render all sequencer parts to wav and import to Vegas.

drbam
Reign wrote on 10/19/2004, 8:13 AM
That's my only concern...I don't wanna spend 30 mins exporting the whole song track by track then open all of the wav's back up in Vegas just to mix...but if it sounds a lot better i might do that...

it does now have recording functions but they are not very good and i don't use them, same with the sounds that are included.....i just use it for sequencing and the mixer...
drbam wrote on 10/19/2004, 9:23 AM
>>I don't wanna spend 30 mins exporting the whole song track by track then open all of the wav's back up in Vegas just to mix.<<

LOL! Sorry but this gave me a huge laugh! I'll sometimes spend weeks on a complex mix to get it right. From my perspective, spending 30 min exporting tracks sounds like a nice coffee break and certainly isn't something I would hesitate to do. But I'm someone who came up through the early days of 4 track recorders and we had to be incredibly innovative in terms of layering tracks, overdubbing, etc. So 30 min spent doing something like this was nothing. And yes, times and technology have changed (thank God!) But the bottom line is that it always comes down to how deeply one is invested in the end result. For me, the editing and mixing advantages of Vegas, and the time I spend creating the mixes, makes my projects "sound better" primarily because of these factors alone – not because there might be a superior code in Vegas's audio engine compared to FL. I'm all for using whatever tools will get the job done. I also think that focusing on shortcuts and saving time does not always serve the best interest of the creative spirit. My $.02 ;-)

drbam
fulcrum wrote on 10/25/2004, 5:01 PM
Actually, have you considered Acid?

Because it sort-of sits in the middle of Vegas and Fruity Loops. It allows a surgical ability to combine samples and maintain the groove. It works really intuitively with samples.
I don't use MIDI, but Acid does have MIDI tracks and allows visual editing.

But,...I fully agree with drbam: there's no escaping the chunk of time the recording process can take when you want to "improve sound quality". It matters more than software, than hardware even!
I'm not saying that I enjoy the fact that learning to be a basic technician takes away musician time, but there is a critical mass point when it all starts clicking in more and more often.
Geoff_Wood wrote on 10/26/2004, 3:21 PM
You may not 'increase sound quality' (but then again, you may..) , but you will certainly increase versatility in mixing, with Vegas's envelope mixing method (with or without control surface) , access method to plugins on track, master, or buss, FX, with automation, mixing of sample rates, etc.

Even Acid may be a better bet, depending on exactly what you are doing.

geoff
Reign wrote on 10/27/2004, 12:18 PM
what is envelope mixing?
Chienworks wrote on 10/27/2004, 12:29 PM
In Vegas and Acid, one can place a "volume" envelope on a track. This is a thin blue line that runs across the entire track and controls the volume. Double-clicking this line adds points called "nodes". You can then move these nodes up and down (as well as left and right) to adjust the volume on the fly, so to speak, as the track progresses.
Reign wrote on 10/27/2004, 12:33 PM
Oh I thought he was referring to something else...

I'm gonna try and export each channel in FL as a wav then mix a song in vegas....I guess i'll have to mix the voice tracks seperately then import the finished single track into the full mix with all the music channels

we'll see if it's worth the time/effort