More on Media Management ...

PeterWright wrote on 2/17/2004, 8:23 PM
I know there have been many requests for improvements in this area, and would like to describe one situation to make sure it's "on the list"

I have several long interviews, up to an hour, and I have been through creating and saving Regions, which gives me instant access to each selected excerpt from the Explorer/Regions view.

Now that I am assembling the program, I am lifting different sections to the timeline.
The trouble is, there is no easy way when I glance down the Regions list - maybe 20 to 30 regions - to see which ones I have already used. All it needs is some "tick" or colour change, or make the text bold, So I can concentrate on the ones not yet on the timeline.

I know that in Media Pool there is a "Use Count" column, but that only deals with whole clips, not saved regions.

If there is already some way to acheive what I'm after I'd love to hear it, otherwise please change this in the next version.

Comments

johnmeyer wrote on 2/18/2004, 12:56 AM
You might check out some of the comments relating to a script I wrote to manage large projects:

Preview, then name regions using listbox dialog


Make sure you check this response to my post, because it relates directly to your question:

View Edit Details




PeterWright wrote on 2/18/2004, 1:17 AM
Thanks John - that's an amazing piece of work.

(By the way - your second link went to the same place as the first)

I'll need a further careful read through to see if it can fit my situation.

I have a single 1 hour clip, with many regions selected and saved, but I don't want to discard the "unregioned" parts yet.

My main need is to be able to identify which regions are still unused - which you mentioned as a "flaw" in your first post. I couldn't find mention of this aspect being addressed, but maybe it was in the "View Edit Details" thread that your second link was intended to go to. (I'll try a search for this when I've posted ...)

Thanks again for your response.
vicmilt wrote on 2/18/2004, 3:55 AM
I'd still love to be able to select "subclips" from the source material and save them (rather than naming regions).
That is, select and name each of the regions, but have them appear as clip selections, complete with the ability to move into various folders.
Worked this way on AVID MC for years, and miss it sorely.
PeterWright wrote on 2/18/2004, 4:42 AM
Yes, vicmilt, this will solve many things in one.

If regions can become subclips and therefore can be sorted into folders/bins in Media Pool and therefore have their number of uses on the timeline recorded ....

I just happen to be working on a big project where this would be very handy right now...
Grazie wrote on 2/18/2004, 11:26 AM
Oh yes . .Regions to Subclips . . Oh yes . .Oh yes please . .. and all sortable . . is that a word?

Grazie
StormMarc wrote on 2/18/2004, 12:48 PM
Has anyone mentioned yet that subclips would be nice? I'd sure love it if they added subclips into the next version :)

Marc
PierreB wrote on 2/18/2004, 4:06 PM
Just to support you on this request.

My first post on this forum (to which you kindly responded) was on the very same topic.

Being able to turn trimmer and timeclip regions into "bin-able" material would be fabulous.

PeterB
PeterWright wrote on 2/18/2004, 4:34 PM
>" and all sortable . . is that a word?

Yes it is ,,,,,, sorta
johnmeyer wrote on 2/18/2004, 5:12 PM
If you look into the second link that I gave in my first post above (it links to a different part of the same thread), you will find the answer to your question.

However, perhaps it would help if I describe the workflow that leads up to this answer. To do this, forget about my script for a moment. Its only purpose is to help you name the regions.

Here's my workflow:

First, I create a bunch of regions (I think you have already done this, or you can use my script to help you do this).

Next, I render this simple two-track project that contains these regions to a new DV AVI file, making sure that "Save project markers in media file" is checked in the "Render As" dialog box.

When the render is complete, I go to the Explorer view in Vegas, and click on the file I just created. Now, here's the key part. In the icons above the file listing, you'll see a file icon with a down arrow next to it. Click on this and you should see, "Tree View," "Region View," "Summary View," and "Details." Make sure ALL of these are checked. "Region View" is the key one. You should now see all the regions you created in the window below the file list. You can drag these to the timeline, just as if they were separate files, or just like dragging items from the trimmer.

This brings us to the answer to your question -- just as I described it in the post I linked to. Go to the View menu and click on Edit Details. In the dialog that comes up, click on Show: Events. Finally, click on the heading "Active Take Name" to sort the active takes. As you will see, your region names show up in the Active Take Name column. You will now see all the region names that are used in your project (they will each show up twice for each usage: Once for video and once for audio).

OK, John, you say, that's close, but I really want to see the names of the takes that I DIDN'T use. Well, I have an answer for that one too.

It turns out that you can copy anything in the Edit details view directly to Excel. For instance, select the first region name in the Active Take Name column (the one in row 1). Then, scroll to the bottom of the list, press and hold the shift key, and select the last item. This selects everything in that column. Now, press Ctrl-C to copy. Switch to Excel, and press Ctrl-V to paste. Bingo, you have a list of the region names in use. To get ALL the region names, just select ALL the regions in the Explorer view and temporarily drag them to a temporary project, and then repeat the above exercise. You now have ALL the region names in the spreadsheet. With one column showing the regions in use, and another column showing all the regions available, you can compare the two lists, and if you know a little about spreadsheets, you can have it highlight the ones not used.

Hope this helps!
rmack350 wrote on 2/18/2004, 5:27 PM
"Bin-able" is a good way to describe it.

Yes, making regions into Bin items from the trimmer seems like a no-brainer. For some reason it didn't happen in 4.0

Once you've made the region into a bin item you should be able to apply media FX to it as well.

Another thing needed with these binable regions is an option to recapture it as a file. That way, when you go back to recapture a project you only need to capture the regions you used.

Rob Mack
PeterWright wrote on 2/18/2004, 8:24 PM
Gotcha John,

Hey, I really appreciate the time you spent putting all that together. I'll have a go and see how the workflow compares to my current workaround - I've been taking a screen shot of the Regions List, printing it and ticking 'em off with a pencil as they're added.

But, as I said, earler, if (WHEN?) the regions in the list automatically change appearance as they're added to the timeline, none of this will be necessary.
johnmeyer wrote on 2/19/2004, 9:17 AM
I agree that, given the "pro" aspirations of this product (Vegas), it is shcoking how weakly Sony designed the project and media management tools. It is especially amazing given that the product has gone through four revisions.

I continue to see rumors on this forum about a true "Vegas Pro" version. If they don't address the issues discussed in this thread, I don't think they will be able to use the "Pro" moniker without a lot of sarcastic snickering from the existing customers, and from the press.