Multi-Angle Subclip Question

fr0sty wrote on 1/9/2018, 10:39 PM

So, after I edit the full length versions of my wedding videos, sometimes I have to come back and make a highlight video from those edits. I'll pull clips from the rehearsal dinner, ceremony, and reception. I see that going through and slicing out areas that I like for a highlight clip, then creating a subclip from it, is a great way for me to organize my highlight shots that I want to pull from the full length edits without having to lose any quality from compression. My problem is, during the ceremony I have as many as 4 cameras running at once, and I'd like to be able to just select a region that already has all of the edits from one angle to another in it, and make a subclip from that (without having to render to a new clip if possible). Is there a way to tell Vegas to pull video from multiple source files when making a subclip? I've been searching the web for a while and can't seem to get an answer other than no, but that was older versions of vegas that it was being asked about.

If not, it would be a great feature for them to add. Apparently FCPX already has a similar feature. It would speed up my workflow a lot when it came time to cut the highlights if I could just skim through my already edited projects and make multi-angle subclips from loop regions..

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set wrote on 1/10/2018, 12:14 AM

You can expand it back:

Tools>Multicamera>Expand to Multiple Tracks...

fr0sty wrote on 1/10/2018, 12:21 AM

In talking about creating subclips that use media from multiple pre-edited source clips.

fr0sty wrote on 1/10/2018, 12:44 AM

For instance, at the end of a full length ceremony video, about an hour long, I have a shot of a couple kissing from camera 3, close up. It then cuts to camera two, slightly wider so you can see their full bodies as they turn to face the crowd and be announced as husband and wife. Camera 1 is wide at the end of the aisle waiting to catch them, rolling at 180fps for slow mo (and sped up to full speed at the beginning). I want that entire scene for the highlight video. I also want to do this with several other moments, like the vows and rings, that might cut to different angles and such during the scene. Is there a way to create a subclip (or something like it) that would reference all of those camera angles, as well as the edits, fades, velocity changes, etc. without having to recompress any of the video?

I know you can do project nesting, but I wanted to be able to do this with dozens of these pre-edited clips throughout the entire ceremony, reception, and rehearsal dinner toasts. To have to make a separate project out of each scene like that would not be very efficient for my workflow. Rendering takes time and costs disk space and quality, so I was hoping an option like "Create Subclip" could be applied, but could be created from multiple source events, media files, fx, and edits from multiple video tracks.

It would make skimming through up to 3 hours of pre-edited videos to find the scenes I want, which are most of the time already edited the way I'd want them to appear in the 5-10 minute highlight video, quick and efficient without having to recut the multicam stuff or render out each clip to a video file.

set wrote on 1/10/2018, 12:56 AM

ah....ok.... , get the idea...

Currently not directly possible on making subclip like you described.

So I personally will run multiple instances of Vegas Pros*, do copy-paste selected clips (or also make split if needed) to the new timeline...

*NOT possible to do this if you are using Vegas Pro Steam Edition version!

fr0sty wrote on 1/10/2018, 1:04 AM

That's actually a great idea, though any track motion, compositing, track effects, and master fx would not be applied. It still would make things much easier, as those are easy enough to copy over. I do have 15 pro Suite, so we're good there. Is there a way to suggest to the devs to implement such a a feature? It would streamline things a lot! There are a lot of cases I could use that in, such as when I make music festival recap videos that use a lot of video from the full song or full show multicamera edits we shoot at the festival spliced together with a bunch of B-roll and a song from one of the headlining acts. In the mean time, your method will work well, but I feel bad for those steam folks that are missing out on that capability.

If it could be suggested, the way I'd like to see it work would either be to specify a region and be able to create a subclip containing everything in that region, or to select multiple events on the timeline and create a subclip containing all of them, in both cases with all effects, transitions, etc. intact. Have an option to apply track and master effects, or to just use media and event effects and edits.

set wrote on 1/10/2018, 1:12 AM

Those are good inputs too... thx... will forward your suggestion to them.

Also personally just watched a demo on doing similar workflow like you described using other editor and it will be great if that feature is also implemented - I have forward the video to them too, but the entire future plan will be decided by them.

fr0sty wrote on 1/10/2018, 1:23 AM

Another cool thing would be, if it treated it kinda like the multicamera track works, where it could be expanded out again into its individual tracks, so you could make tweaks to the edit if you found something you wanted to change, or if you decided to re-grade the color in a scene to better match what you were doing in the highlights... have a right click dropdown menu that gives access to each effect applied in the original edit of that subclip, separate from the effects applied to the track that subclip is nested in. In essence, it would work just like a miniature nested project (but just a clip of a total project instead) combined with a multicamera track, able to be expanded and collapsed again, and all of its original parameters still being able to be edited.