Multicam Crashing

fr0sty wrote on 5/10/2018, 5:14 PM

I've been trying for days to get a project finished and can't seem to get more than a few minutes of editing in before Vegas crashes.

I have 4 cameras in this shoot. Here is the media info for each camera:

Cam1:

General
Name: 00070.MTS
Folder: K:\Inca\incaball
Type: MPEG-2 Transport Stream
Size: 4.19 GB (4,290,607,104 bytes)
Created: Friday, January 1, 2010, 12:50:04 PM
Modified: Friday, January 1, 2010, 12:50:04 PM
Accessed: Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 10:21:29 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:50:09.006, 59.940 fps progressive, 1280x720x12, AVC
Audio: 00:50:09.006, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, Dolby AC-3

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: compoundplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
Format: MPEG-2 Transport Stream
Version: Version 15.0 (Build 321)
Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

Cam2:

General
Name: EYED0622.MOV
Folder: K:\Inca\incaball
Type: AVC
Size: 592.90 MB (607,125,504 bytes)
Created: Saturday, November 22, 2014, 5:09:45 AM
Modified: Saturday, November 22, 2014, 5:14:47 AM
Accessed: Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 10:28:10 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:05:01.101, 29.970 fps progressive, 1920x1080x12, AVC
Audio: 00:05:01.269, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: compoundplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
Format: AVC
Version: Version 15.0 (Build 321)
Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

Cam3:

General
Name: P1110014.MOV
Folder: K:\Inca\incaball
Type: AVC
Size: 34.17 MB (34,985,960 bytes)
Created: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 1:00:00 AM
Modified: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 1:00:00 AM
Accessed: Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 10:21:29 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:00:05.506, 59.940 fps progressive, 1920x1080x12, AVC
Audio: 00:00:05.506, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, PCM

Summary
[TCFM]: 55834574856

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: compoundplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
Format: AVC
Version: Version 15.0 (Build 321)
Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

Cam4:

General
Name: P1110166.MOV
Folder: K:\Inca\incaball
Type: AVC
Size: 4.18 GB (4,281,736,907 bytes)
Created: Friday, February 2, 2018, 11:57:30 AM
Modified: Friday, February 2, 2018, 11:57:30 AM
Accessed: Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 10:22:27 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:11:33.693, 59.940 fps progressive, 1920x1080x12, AVC
Audio: 00:11:33.693, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, PCM

Summary
[TCFM]: 68719476744

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: compoundplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
Format: AVC
Version: Version 15.0 (Build 321)
Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

Yes, I know it is bad to mix resolutions and frame rates on multicam, but unfortunately the crew I hired to do this gig for me nearly botched the shoot, didn't bother to check camera settings before rolling. I'm working on making it as good as I can now, which thankfully is working out OK, save for these crashes.

GPU Acceleration for timeline is off.

So4 disabled

I set memory settings according to suggestions on here in the internal settings. Seems to have been working well so far, so I'm not sure that has anything to do with it.

Dynamic RAM preview is 200.

Ryzen 7 1800x - Geforce GTX 970 - 64GB DDR4 3000 - Windows 10 64 bit

Any ideas why this is hanging? I'm editing in multicam mode.

Edit: Tried this witth GPU on, ediited ok for a few minutes, then the preview monitor turned red and vegas crashed.

Comments

fr0sty wrote on 5/10/2018, 8:52 PM

So, I checked my project settings, and noticed the project had been set to the settings of the first clip I used, the 720p60 clip. I changed the project settings to 1080p24, left everything else alone. That seems to have fixed the problem.

So, if you are editing with mixed framerate and resolution media, and your project properties are set to 720p60, and you are editing multicam, expect crashes. Fix it by changing your settings. Hopefully this helps the Vegas team isolate whatever the source of this bug is.

Vliegvisser wrote on 5/11/2018, 4:45 AM

Hopefully this helps the Vegas team isolate whatever the source of this bug is.

Bug?
Which one?
To me it is clear that your first setting was a userfault.
What is one of the first rules using more than 1 or 2 different type of sourcefiles?
You did choose for the program the most faulty projectsetting.
3 highly compressed AVC streams had to be altered for size and framerate to make it possible to preview them together with a forth one.

fr0sty wrote on 5/11/2018, 5:05 AM

I'm sorry, but a program crashing is programmer error, not user error. Every time. The user should not be able to crash the program. If you look at the files, 2 of them are 1080p30, 2 are 720p60. Vegas is supposed to be able to use mixed media, one of its strong points, actually. It shouldn't matter if I have the project set to 720p60 (what half the clips are), 1080p30 (what the other half are), or 1080p24 (what I'm editing in now, that worked, and requires even MORE conversion!), all should work. I've found a bug that makes one of those configurations not work, and you're here saying it's my fault?

Vliegvisser wrote on 5/11/2018, 6:04 AM

To me, yess.
Why do you think the first warning at Multicam editing is: