Multicamera editing track effects

marcel-vossen wrote on 4/8/2017, 6:01 AM

Hi there,

I'm working in a project with 5 cameratracks and I noticed that all effects that I put on the single tracks before combining them into a multicamera track are lost afterwards. However since these tracks need to be adjusted to match different cameratypes and exposure etc , this is not very practical..

How can I change the single tracks that are in a multicamera track seperately?

It also happens from time to time that I see things I wish to change in color or exposure after I made the camera angle choices, how should I deal with this problem, the only way I can think of now is to add the same effect to all the bits of the timeline where a certain camera is activated, but that is a lot of extra work...

 

Marcel

 

 

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OldSmoke wrote on 4/8/2017, 6:22 AM

You match the camera footage by adding the FX as Media FX. This can be done before or even after the multicam track has been made.

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marcel-vossen wrote on 4/8/2017, 7:03 AM

Thanks Oldsmoke,

My tracks are not all consisting of only 1 video file, some tracks have more then 10 files since I stopped and started the camera's, so I first synced the footage on 5 different tracks, and then choose 'create multicamera track'.

If I would like to, for example, change the exposure on one track, I would add the Video FX by dragging it into the track instead of dragging it into the seperate video files. But when i do this before combining all 5 tracks, the changes are lost in the multicamera situation. When I drag the effect in the multicamera timeline it works though, but I would have to drag it into all parts where I have used that particular camera which is too complicated and also sensitive to mistakes...

Is there a way to use an effect on all bits that this cameratrack is used?

 

Marcel

 

OldSmoke wrote on 4/8/2017, 7:19 AM

As I mentioned, they only way to preserve the FXs to match the footage is to apply it at the Media level. Right click and event and select Media FX.

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Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 4/8/2017, 8:00 AM

This limitation has bothered me too for a long time. It's a limitation that makes the multicam editing mode unattractive, it puts severe restrictions to your workflow. To add effects on the media level is often impractical. Therefore I have managed most of my multicam projects manually - the old fashioned way. But at least I can keep my workflow and structure intact.

Is there a reason (good one) why this is how it is? Just sloppy programming, or a technical limitation? It seems that the multicam feature was more or less a "glued on" feature at the time it was (not properly) implemented! Or am I wrong? Can it be improved? At least it should.

Cheers, Christian

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Shinra Bansho wrote on 4/8/2017, 9:31 AM

Hi Marcel,

Save the track containing 10 video files in a veg file first (say, name it "Track A - 10 vids joined" or whatever it makes sense to you). You can import (=nest) this "Track A - 10 vids joined" veg file in another veg file and can effectively treat this veg as if it is a single video file, to which you can add any FX all at once from on Project Media tab, EVEN after the multicam track is created. I use this method all the time to deal with the spanned video files created by Panasonic GH4 and treat the veg (that has a bunch of separate files) as a single video file and add color corrections etc. ALL AT ONCE even after multicam track was created. I hope this helps.  

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altarvic wrote on 4/8/2017, 9:54 AM

Apply effects AFTER you expanded multicamera track to several tracks (as a final step).

OldSmoke wrote on 4/8/2017, 10:19 AM

This limitation has bothered me too for a long time. It's a limitation that makes the multicam editing mode unattractive, it puts severe restrictions to your workflow. To add effects on the media level is often impractical. Therefore I have managed most of my multicam projects manually - the old fashioned way. But at least I can keep my workflow and structure intact.

Is there a reason (good one) why this is how it is? Just sloppy programming, or a technical limitation? It seems that the multicam feature was more or less a "glued on" feature at the time it was (not properly) implemented! Or am I wrong? Can it be improved? At least it should.

Cheers, Christian

There is no limitation as long as you are willing to change your workflow. As pointed out in the post above mine, you can expand the multicam track once you have done your cuts and work with tracks again.

I have no issue with the way Vegas handles multicam editing, many others have followed that concept, FCP X for example does it very similar.

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john_dennis wrote on 4/8/2017, 11:11 AM

"There is no limitation as long as you are willing to change your workflow."

I agree.

I did my first multi-camera edit so recently that I'm ashamed of myself. When starting the project, I did my usual routine of adjusting levels and tweaking color at the track and event level only to see everything disappear when entering multi-camera edit mode. 

Though I wasted a little time once, I'm happy to do the cuts first, now that I know how it works. In fact, it makes more sense to do high level cuts, then do finishing. There is certainly efficiency in not tweaking the look of events that "end up on the cutting room floor."

"Is there a reason (good one) why this is how it is?"

If doing effects and color correcting before the rough cuts, with n cameras one would be tweaking n times the amount of video when only 1/n will likely end up in the final product barring any split screen scenes.

Full disclosure:

I didn't even shoot two cameras. I shot two different performances of the same program, one from the back of the house, one from the front of the house. The poor mans multi-camera shoot. 

marcel-vossen wrote on 4/8/2017, 12:18 PM

Thanks guys, I have enough good input now to start working on this project, this all makes sense now!