Multiple random crashing in Vegas 8 and 7e

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4eyes wrote on 9/12/2007, 8:09 AM
Blink3Times,
Which camera is causing this? HV20 or the HC3.
I was wondering if you have the "Fast Record" settings enabled on the HC3, when enabled the HC3 doesn't splice the stream very well.

Right now using the trial I'm capturing a HDV tape with scene split on, playing back a m2ts avc w/dolby5.1 encoded at 14MBS & playing back a HD-WMV video 1440x1080@8MBS.
No problems capturing with the trial version of Vegas 8 Pro.
Captured 16 Scenes No black frames.

Maybe turn off overclocking on the cpu.
Make sure Fast Start is off on the HC3 cam. Maybe reset the HC3 back to default settings via the hardware button on the side, (possilby non-volatile ram corruption)
Disable the ulead drivers:
ulcdrsvr.exe (or similar wording) Ulead burner helper
Devsvr.exe (ulead capturing service driver, necessary to capture HDV with MF)
Both these run as services.
There is no ulead software installed on this Vista Home Premium installation.
blink3times wrote on 9/12/2007, 8:16 AM
'In another forum I was told to turn off scene detection when capturing HDV clips
Does this work?"
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yes..turning off scene detection works... no crashing. But then you have to cut the scenes manually...a lot of extra work.
blink3times wrote on 9/12/2007, 8:18 AM
"Maybe turn off overclocking on the cpu.
Make sure Fast Start is off on the HC3 cam. Maybe reset the HC3 back to default settings via the hardware button on the side, (possilby non-volatile ram corruption)
Disable the ulead drivers:
ulcdrsvr.exe (or similar wording) Ulead burner helper
Devsvr.exe (ulead capturing service driver, necessary to capture HDV with MF)
Both these run as services.
There is no ulead software installed on this Vista Home Premium installation."
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Thanks... but all of this has been tried. The only thing that seems to stop the crashing is if scene detect is turned off, and the entire clip is placed on the timeline and manually cut.
Jason Boyette wrote on 9/12/2007, 8:22 AM
Should I try HDVSplit?
4eyes wrote on 9/12/2007, 9:19 AM
The one thing I have encountered troubleshooting is hardware devices such as usb devices, keyboard, mouse etc use shared irq's (interrupts) & a shared bus. When one of these devices acts up it interferes with disk I/O's and many other processes. Computers are so fast now this can be happening and you aren't aware of it.
When this happens anything is possible, disk I/O errors. You will not see this directly, a P4-2.4Ghz is to fast to know it's happening until the device finally fails.
If you have been noticing any problems related to keyboard or mouse try swapping them out.
These devices when defective or probmatic will cause disk I/O errors.
blink3times wrote on 9/12/2007, 9:28 AM
"Should I try HDVSplit?"
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I originally shifted over to HDVsplit back in 7c because the Vegas HD capture program always (and still with v8) seems to split 3 or so frames LATE. Others such as Jrazz reported this as well.

HDVsplit works GREAT for 7c and 7d... I would have to hit the computer with a sledge hammer to get a crash.... but now with V8 (as well as 7e), the crashing was even worse with HDVsplit as opposed to the Vegas capture.
Jason Boyette wrote on 9/12/2007, 6:12 PM
So I went old school to vegas 7.0d
Everything works perfectly (same clips that were freezing in 7.0e and Pro 8)

Why why why...please Sony fix version 8!!!
chucky wrote on 9/12/2007, 10:01 PM
I have a similar crah problem.
Vegas 7e and 8 crash to desktop with disturbing regularity.
I have noticed that some of the splits are highlighted in pink (I assume this indicates some kind of synchronisation) this is strange as all the HD video file is from the same scource clip but only a few have the highlighting.
I have noticed that if I press play when the cursor is within the timeline region of those highlighted splits that the crash is guaranteed.
I have tried deleting those areas and reediting those splits but the highlight comes back, the scource clip has no audio btw.
I had no problems with this file only a week ago when I was still on 6e, but no amount of upgrading has helped.
I do find the Sony people are very helpful and have been great with my upgrading issues, I must appluad them for that : )
I may have to buy a support plan to get this solved as I have to finish this project tonight.
Anyway does anyone else have the pink highlighted splits?
I have tried rerendering the scource footage as an mov instead of avi and replacing the scource clip, but this made no difference.
Could the problem have something to do with this?
I might be barking up the wrong tree here, still, it does seem a little strange, that's all.
stringerbell wrote on 9/13/2007, 1:12 AM
Yes, add me to the list of people enjoying a very crappy experience with 8.0. I had to go back to 7 after literally 2 minutes playing around with 8.0 (I say 'playing around', but I mean: trying to fix, or at least live with, the ridiculously poor software and all it's failures).
stringerbell wrote on 9/13/2007, 1:54 AM
As I posted in another thread, Vegas 8.0 ships with the wrong codec for cineform (if you are using Vista, anyways). Go to their site and download the newest codec pack, and that should solve at least some of the random crashes...
bigrock wrote on 9/13/2007, 12:15 PM
You said "As I posted in another thread, Vegas 8.0 ships with the wrong codec for cineform (if you are using Vista, anyways). Go to their site and download the newest codec pack, and that should solve at least some of the random crashes..."

I find this hard to believe and could find no such download. Please provide the link if this is true or withdraw the statement.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 9/13/2007, 12:54 PM
stingerbell, that's ridiculous, 2 minutes??? what happened? you found one thing you didn't like and said that's it, I'm not going to work with Vegas Pro 8? or was it not "literally 2 minutes"?

Giving Vegas 8 a bit of time I've had no problems with it other than the 32bit color shift, and while some may have had problems with it, I'd have to say that you're getting a little bit freakout happy. It happens, but I'd have to say that we should all probably cool down a bit and give vegas Pro 8 a little time.

Dave
Jason Boyette wrote on 9/14/2007, 7:22 AM
Pro 8 has been great with DV
Pro 8 has been unusable to me for HDV
I use Vegas 7.0d for HDV until the bugs get fixed
It only took me minutes before Pro 8 would crashin HDV, so I understand the 2 minute theory!
blink3times wrote on 9/14/2007, 7:52 AM
Vegas 8 has some problems... no doubt. But from what I have seen from Madison... once they are aware of a problem and can repo it... they are FAST with a fix. I have no doubt that they will treat this issue seriously and get it taken care of promptly.

PS:
I come from an Avid Liquid back ground... I switched to Vegas because it took Avid almost a friggin YEAR to get a BADLY needed patch out. When Avid Liquid 7 came out, Vegas was at the tail end of version6. We are now at version 8 with some GREAT upgrades... meanwhile... Avid is STILL pushing Liquid 7.

So.... boys and girls.... Vegas could be a lot worse.
blink3times wrote on 9/14/2007, 10:48 AM
In fact....

Just heard back from a Sony Software official:

"Thanks for uploading the footage. The problem is now fixed and will be released in the next Vegas 8 update. Please don't ask me for a date- I can't share it but it will be "very soon"."

MUCH MUCH faster than I expected!!! :)
back75 wrote on 9/18/2007, 10:02 AM
How do I convert back to 7d from 7e?
rs170a wrote on 9/18/2007, 10:26 AM
How do I convert back to 7d from 7e?

Uninstall 7e and install 7d.
If you don't have it, get it here.

Mike