Must Be Me

FPP wrote on 5/4/2013, 3:47 PM
I wonder why such a great professional video editing software was made available before it was more user-friendly.
Outside of a few preferences you should be able to use Vegas Pro 12 without having to be a computer specialist.
If your computer exceeds the recommended "specs", why do you have to redesign the computer manufacturers' design in order to get down to some serious editing.
I've tried a few of the suggestions on this and several other "Forums" but nothing seems to be a solid remedy to all the unexplainable "crashing" VP 12 does.
Yet I read some stories of users not having any problems at all and say it must be your computer or it's hardware ect..
Why is Sony still selling this software for $399.00 to $599.00 when it is not yet ready for the "General Public". Or perhaps The software and Windows 7 are not yet ready to get married.. I don't have anymore ideas..
This software (VP 12) has put the "CART BEFORE THE HORSE" in user ability
I'm pretty sure I know how to edit but this software keeps "Bi#@ch Slapping" me every time I get near it.
I have a good home for her (VP 12) but she just can't seem to settle down with one user.
The software "LET" me use (TITLER PRO 1) a couple a times just to lead me on and then decided not to come out and play anymore.
I can't get nothing done with this software..
All she wants to do is lay around and look pretty.

Comments

OldSmoke wrote on 5/4/2013, 4:16 PM
FPP I hear your pain and I am sure many users here would like to help. VP12's latest build is quite stable for many users. What is your exact system spec and what are the issues you have the most? Sometimes it's just a small thing like setting your RAM timing correctly, I just did that for my neighbor and his PC is stable now. I am willing to help but need more details.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

musicvid10 wrote on 5/4/2013, 4:35 PM
You've posted twice about this, but you've never defined your use of the term "crashing." Full details please: source media, project and preview properties, render settings including GPU, and the exact nature and details of your "crash," an oft-misapplied term. If you can provide enough details for others to duplicate your observations, then you're on your way to a solution. Otherwise, it may very well be that the software is not the culprit.

There are people here to help you get your system optimized for nonlinear editing, but without some details . . . ?
videoITguy wrote on 5/4/2013, 5:30 PM
To FPP: I tried reading through your OP, but it seems to me to be awkward statements in making its salient points. Defining VegasPro as not user friendly software could not be farther from the reality. It has a very well designed interface and ranks much higher on usability than other NLE's. It has always provided very clever interactive tutorials and a pretty good help file. _ So that point I shall toss aside.

I think what you are about to criticize and actually fail yet to pinpoint is the effort by some to state that the systems build of VegasPro is so convuluted and obtuse as to defeat the user. BUT that is NOT true either in face value. Configurations on "defined" hardware systems by some othe NLE's is actually far tougher because of the extreme demands placed on the installer to manage minute details to spec.
FPP wrote on 5/4/2013, 5:40 PM
I thought my specs were in my profile.
I use a HP 1360T i7 64bit 3770
16g ram 8 core
windows 7 hm premium
3.40 ghz
I have it set to run in (VISTA) compatability .
Example of a crash: I would try and open Titler pro 1 in the timeline or effects and just about anywhere.
I have not even gotten close to rendering anything yet mainly because I have not finished an edit because I get so far using various media such as mov wmv, jpeg, quicktime. I do set preference to match what I start with.
I have my project set at SD 720x480 ntsc.
Put a few clips together with transitions and effects as I would with any other version of Sony Vegas.. Play back my work and picture may or may not scramble in the preview window or may turn solid black but can be seen in the timeline.
Not all the time but you can almost count on it..
Sometimes playing back and then freeze and Message saying (VEGAS has stopped working and would I like to DEBUG)
Windows always says looking for a solution as well.
I'm sure it's me and if I do get some help I'll be able to use this software and put out some great work.
I had some more issues but I'm not that sharp so I can only take in some much at a time.
FPP wrote on 5/4/2013, 5:51 PM
What I meant is that it seems to be a large number of users including myself not able to use out of the box without problems that should not exist in this modern software.
I like this software and I think it will usher me into another level of editing skills.
I just have not tweek my system the right way or something.
But again, my point is get it to flow without any hang ups out of the box.
My intentions are not to discredit the software in any way.
JJKizak wrote on 5/4/2013, 7:35 PM
Couple of questions:
Does your DVD burner work ok?
Does your sound stutter when playing back the timeline?
When you installed your memory is it using what the computer wants or is it forced to what you want?
What hard drives are you using---conventional, SATA, SSD, USB external, plug in USB, SCSI or Raid?
Is your motherboard Video card and sound card shut off if you have them?
Do you have Norton Anti Virus or other virus software running?
When you boot up does the video picture blink several times before final posting?
Do you have any problems with other installed software?
Do you have the latest Quicktime software installed?
Are your blower fans and CPU fan set to come on and off or run steady?
What is your ram set for in the options?
What are your thumbnail settings for the timeline?
Are you using the GPU?
Are you using the media manager?
What are the temperature CPU thermal settings?
Are there other Sony softwares installed?
Are all the latest Microsoft .nets installed including ++5000?
Are you using the external monitor?
Are you using a KVM switch?
What kind of keyboard/mouse are you using?
Is everything in your machine rated for Bluray?
Is your CPU running at the designed speed and not overclocked?
Is your GPU running at the designed speed and not overclocked?
Your motherboard and video card drivers are absolutely critical for proper operation and you should have the latest drivers for both. There are exceptions however for the Nvidia video cards.
JJK
musicvid10 wrote on 5/4/2013, 7:42 PM
So you're having problems with NB Titler Pro?
That's a separate thread. Are you using Vegas build 563?
New Blue is a third party plugin, although it may have been bundled with your Vegas app.
More or less stable if you don't have NBT open?
FPP wrote on 5/5/2013, 12:20 AM
So everyone who wants to use Vegas Pro 12 64 bit build 563 must first learn how to program a computer to do exactly what the software wants or just stay away from professional applications all together?????
I'm no rocket brain but I thought the software was suppose to tell the computer what to do to a certain degree.
DVD burner works fine..
No sound stutter on timeline..
Dont know how to turn off Motherboard..
Dont use Norton..
No other issues with any other software..
FPP wrote on 5/5/2013, 12:24 AM
Thank you.
I am on build 563 and I used the NB Titler Pro as one example.
If I dont try and get to fancy the software is "more or less" stable.
DataMeister wrote on 5/5/2013, 12:56 AM
Is anyone else using Vegas Pro 12 with a Radeon HD 7570 graphics card? Unless someone has proven it can be stable, that would be my first guess.

I prefer nVidia for any non gaming tasks acceleration because they seem more stable across the board.
FPP wrote on 5/5/2013, 2:36 AM
I will try another graphics card.. I have 1 gb now AMD radeon
Maybe I'll try nvidia .
I just hate the shopping around till you get the right one thing of it.
Rob Franks wrote on 5/5/2013, 8:38 AM
What I meant is that it seems to be a large number of users including myself not able to use out of the box without problems that should not exist in this modern software.

They ALL have bugs. MC, Adobe, FCP... etc.
When you run into one it's simply a matter of looking for a work around. Maybe expensive hardware changes will fix the problem... maybe it won't. Personally speaking I would start with looking for a less expensive work around. Maybe try a different titler?

I had lots of crashes rendering avchd (with AC3) over to M2ts. The answer was to render as a separate avc and AC3 files then muxing the end result with TSmuxeR.

There is a guy I know who uses FCP and is angry that you have to be a "computer guru" in trying to get avchd imported.

If you hit a wall... then work around it is all. But if you think it's any better some where else......
john_dennis wrote on 5/5/2013, 9:00 AM
"[I]I will try another graphics card[/I]"

Before you spend the extra money on a diagnostic procedure, you might try removing the Radeon and using the HD4000 video adapter that's supposed to be in the i7-3770 processor.

Use the driver that I referenced in this thread. Edit: The link is no longer valid, I haven't tried different drivers for a while but if you can't get a newer one to work, I can upload the one I use.

If you get a stable system then you can mess it up later with a different video adapter if you choose.

Have you done a "clean install" to rid yourself of the software that HP shipped with the machine? My HP laptop ran three versions of Vegas OK out of the box but I chafe at all the "help" corporations think I need to do my job so I reloaded a base OS and applications.
OldSmoke wrote on 5/5/2013, 9:10 AM
FPP before you run out and buy new hardware lets try a few "simpler" steps first. AMD cards may be a bit tricker but do work with Vegas too. I personally have a Nvidia GTX570 which although is an older series but works better then the newer GTX 600 series. Please check your driver for your AMD card, according to this thread, it should be Catalyst 13.1 http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=848219

The next step for me would be to download a software like hwmonitor64 to check the load on the graphics card, cpu but also to check temperatures. The i7 3770 with and without the "k" at the end have a tendency to overheat when put under stress; even at stock speeds. Coretemp is another software for measuring CPU temps but it doesn't do GPU monitoring. CPU temps should not exceed 80deg C as the CPU will start throttling down and that can cause issues with Vegas.

I initially mentioned RAM and timing but since you have bought a branded system, that should be fine.

One more word to GPU acceleration under Vegas. For codecs that support GPU rendering please select "OpenCL" and not "CUDA" or "Automatic". https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39278380/CUDA.png

Make a small test project that only includes Sony's own GPU accelerated FX and Transitions, no Third Party. Check playback and rendering using Mainconcept Internet 1080i template but change the render setting in the template to OpenCL. If you have issues with such simple tasks, then we have to look deeper but if not we can move on.

@JJKizak I know you mean well but flooding the OP with so many issues at once doesn't do any good I believe; even I got scared.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

FPP wrote on 5/5/2013, 11:26 AM
I've gotten some great leads from this forum as always and am eager to try a few.
Okay.. I'm goin' back in ! Wish me luck everybody.
Hulk wrote on 5/5/2013, 12:37 PM
@OldSmoke,

Let's not spread false information here. 3770's, k's or otherwise do NOT have a tendency to overheat at stock speeds. Unless the cooler is broken of course, but then any processor would overheat under those conditions.

Ivy Bridge uses a different (less effective) thermal compound between the die and package which inhibits heat transfer compared to Sandy Bridge so overclocking temps do get high. But at stock speeds? No, never heard of it unless as I said the cooling fan stops working or there is some other problem with the case.
OldSmoke wrote on 5/5/2013, 1:00 PM
I had a 3770k myself and it did go high up at stock speeds, 76-80deg when rendering CPU only and using the HD4000. That was on the stock Intel cooler. It does have a higher DTP then the 2600 but it was way to high for my liking and it did show issues at that temps, like win7 becoming unresponsive and even my 3D CAD software didn't like it much. I later used a H100 cooler that helped but still nut good enough and the reason is the thermal compound used on those chips prevents proper cooling. I finally changed the whole system to a 3930K and 2x GTX570 which was an expensive upgrade but I don't regret it a single minute.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

JJKizak wrote on 5/5/2013, 3:32 PM
I just wanted FPP to think outside the box because everything is getting enormously complicated. The only thing that I did not have 'teething" problems with was Windows 3.1.
JJK
OldSmoke wrote on 5/5/2013, 10:17 PM
I am one of the lucky ones here. I never had big issues with Vegas since Version 7. I have all settings in VP12 on their default settings and it all works very well including GPU acceleration since VP11. Oh yes, Windows 3.1 and 3.11 was ok but earlier versions where also trouble and I still remember people asking MS to further develop DOS 6. Win95 was ok, 98 was a bit better, ME a disaster, 2000 was only good for servers and then finally XP. I skipped Vista totally and went from XP straight into Win7 and will stay with it until Windows 9 or something with a better GUI comes out.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

FPP wrote on 5/6/2013, 9:22 AM
I think you may be right OldSmoke.. Default settings on a system that is "Specked" for VP12 seems to me to be stable to a certain degree..
I guess I shouldn't let third party plug ins determine the validity of this great NLE software.
My expectations were a bit lofty but I have been learning with Sony Vegas software for sometime now and I was thinking that my troubles were over once I went "Pro".
Like my post is entitled.. (MUST BE ME).. This is the reality I have faced.
I don't want to bash Sony Vegas software so I am gonna make this software rock sooner or later.