.MXF impossible to import on VEGAS PRO 20 / 326 BUILD

VEGASDerek wrote on 1/30/2023, 6:37 PM

@Tenania-Parent We are unaware of any issues related to importing MXF files. Could you provide a sample file for us to analyze?

Todd-A0 wrote on 1/30/2023, 7:43 PM

@VEGASDerek on a related matter, Vegas doesn't load X-OCN mxf files. From Sony's marketing blurb

X-OCN is supported by leading non-linear editing software and colour grading tools such as Adobe Premiere CC, Apple Final Cut Pro via Calibrated{Q} Sony RAW Decode plug-in, Avid Media Composer via nablet Sony RAW AMA plug-in, Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve, Colorfront OSD and FilmLight Baselight, to name a few.

Sample file https://dmpc.cimediacloud.com/mediaboxes/742d980689654b16a9cf09c107975e05

This is a pro codec for very expensive pro cameras used by pro's who probably aren't using Vegas Pro, so I"m not invested in it's support, due to consumer codecs needing to be improved upon or added to Vegas.

@Tenania-Parent This file is unlreated to yours, other than being sony mxf, please upload a sample to a file sharing site

set wrote on 1/31/2023, 12:30 AM

even VLC can't play it

ok, here's the media info of the file:

General
Complete name                            : D:\A005C027_20110157.mxf
Format                                   : MXF
Format version                           : 1.3
Format profile                           : OP-1a
Format settings                          : Closed / Complete
File size                                : 1.84 GiB
Duration                                 : 18 s 644 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 849 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : 2020-12-15 02:47:43.000
Writing application                      : Sony AXS 3.1.0.0.1
Writing library                          : Sony MXF Development Kit (MacOS X) 4.20.0.152.4

Video
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : 0E060D0302020100-0E06040102060601
Codec ID                                 : 0E060D0302020100-0E06040102060601
Duration                                 : 18 s 644 ms
Bit rate                                 : 845 Mb/s
Width                                    : 6 054 pixels
Original width                           : 6 080 pixels
Height                                   : 3 192 pixels
Original height                          : 3 224 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 1.897
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 1.823
Stream size                              : 1.83 GiB (99%)

Audio #1
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame (AES)
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102060300
Duration                                 : 18 s 644 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS (2002 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.56 MiB (0%)
Locked                                   : Yes

Audio #2
ID                                       : 4
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame (AES)
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102060300
Duration                                 : 18 s 644 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS (2002 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.56 MiB (0%)
Locked                                   : Yes

Audio #3
ID                                       : 5
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame (AES)
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102060300
Duration                                 : 18 s 644 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS (2002 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.56 MiB (0%)
Locked                                   : Yes

Audio #4
ID                                       : 6
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame (AES)
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102060300
Duration                                 : 18 s 644 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS (2002 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.56 MiB (0%)
Locked                                   : Yes

Other #1
ID                                       : 1-Material
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : MXF TC
Frame rate                               : 24.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 04:30:31:09
Time code settings                       : Material Package
Time code, striped                       : Yes

Other #2
ID                                       : 1-Source
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : MXF TC
Frame rate                               : 24.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 04:30:31:09
Time code settings                       : Source Package
Time code, striped                       : Yes

Other #3
ID                                       : 7
Format                                   : Acquisition Metadata
Muxing mode                              : Ancillary data / RDD 18
Duration                                 : 18 s 644 ms
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS
CaptureGammaEquation_FirstFrame          : SceneLinear
IrisFNumber_FirstFrame                   : 5.148441
FocusPositionFromImagePlane_FirstFrame   : 1.661 m
MacroSetting_FirstFrame                  : Off
LensZoom35mmStillCameraEquivalent_FirstF : 106.000 mm
LensZoomActualFocalLength_FirstFrame     : 100.000 mm
OpticalExtenderMagnification_FirstFrame  : 100%
LensAttributes_FirstFrame                : Z50103122
IrisTNumber_FirstFrame                   : 5.650635
AutoExposureMode_FirstFrame              : Manual
AutoFocusSensingAreaSetting_FirstFrame   : Manual
NeutralDensityFilterWheelSetting_FirstFr : 1/4
ImageSensorDimensionEffectiveWidth_First : 35.961 mm
ImageSensorDimensionEffectiveHeight_Firs : 18.960 mm
CaptureFrameRate_FirstFrame              : 23.976 fps
ImageSensorReadoutMode_FirstFrame        : Progressive frame
ShutterSpeed_Angle_FirstFrame            : 180.0°
ShutterSpeed_Time_FirstFrame             : 1/48 s
CameraMasterGainAdjustment_FirstFrame    : 0.00 dB
ISOSensitivity_FirstFrame                : 500
ElectricalExtenderMagnification_FirstFra : 100%
AutoWhiteBalanceMode_FirstFrame          : Preset
WhiteBalance_FirstFrame                  : 6300 K
CameraAttributes_FirstFrame              : MPC-3610 0010658 Version0.60
ExposureIndexofPhotoMeter_FirstFrame     : 500
GammaForCDL_FirstFrame                   : 5
ASC_CDL_V12_FirstFrame                   : sR=1.0 sG=1.0 sB=1.0 oR=0.0 oG=0.0 oB=0.0 pR=1.0 pG=1.0 pB=1.0 sat=1.0

Other #4
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : SMPTE TC
Muxing mode                              : SDTI
Frame rate                               : 24.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 04:30:31:09

Todd-A0 wrote on 1/31/2023, 3:26 AM

@set It's one of those pseudo Raw codecs like Apple Prores Raw, BlackMagic Raw, Nikon N-Raw, that use mostly GPU resources for playback but unlike those codecs the Sony cinema cameras are apparently 16bit through the entire chain from sensor to codec. It's this reason it will likely never appear on a pro-sumer product like a Sony A7SV, maybe a 12bit version to go up against Z9's N-Raw.

Playback is amazing. This is using it in a 6K project at it's native resolution 15% CPU 35% GPU

Vegas is doing well with it's development of BM-RAW and Apple ProresRAW implementations so they could make it work, but currently this codec is very niche and lacking demand

Tenania-Parent wrote on 2/1/2023, 2:38 PM

Hi,

@VEGASDerek I uploaded a really short sample.

In my workflow i process stabilisation with CATALYST BROWSE and color grading as well to export in rec 709. Then I export file in XAVC Intra Class 480 because it offers the best quality. (which generates an .MXF file)

As mentionned on my post, this file format worked on my previous vegas build. I still have the previous build on my laptop. (I won't upgrade because of that issue). If there is a way to send you the script from the previous build to show you that it works.

Below you will find a temporary link to download a sample. (link will only be available for 2 weeks)

https://we.tl/t-Uq13HBPnhA?utm_campaign=TRN_TDL_05&utm_source=sendgrid&utm_medium=email&trk=TRN_TDL_05

I am really hoping that you will make this work again because I bought every versions from Vegas 17 to 20, and am processing to noise reduction and color grade on Davinci Studio that never crashed on my old i7 3820. There is not any lags while playing back or editing on RESOLVE STUDIO.

With VEGAS PRO it struggles and often crashes doing the same with my RYZEN 7 1800x RTX3070, 64Gb RAM and SSD EVO 870 1TB.

Now the new build doesn't accept .MXF file format...Vegas pro is really intuitive and easy to work with, but if we keep paying for a software that crashes and updates removing features as reading .MXF I will have to do everything on RESOLVE STUDIO...

Thanks for helping us

Yelandkeil wrote on 2/1/2023, 2:54 PM

You'd have a check of your program settings. V20b326.

Todd-A0 wrote on 2/1/2023, 4:47 PM

@Tenania-Parent I tried various different decoder settings to prevent your file being loaded, I could not stop it being loaded. I guess reset vegas, unless someone has another idea

set wrote on 2/1/2023, 4:53 PM

HEVC legacy decoding seems not related.

The file works ok here. Something not right happening. I agree with above suggestion, try reset VP, and also restart the PC after updating.

As for 'stability', This MXF was read using mxfxavc decoder module besides of so4, same decoder used for XAVC-L codec from my PXW-X70 camcorder. I had trouble editing them after several count of files loaded.

Illusion wrote on 2/1/2023, 5:09 PM

I use Catalyst Browse to stabilize my Sony footage all the time and I can import them no problem in B326.

Here are the settings I use

I will try Class 480 to see

Edit: Class 480 works on my side. However, I normally use Class 300 and have a smooth playback with Good(half) preview. With Class 480, I need to lower to Preview(Auto) to get 29.97 fps smooth playback. System in signature.

set wrote on 2/1/2023, 6:01 PM

Class 300 and 480 are new terms for me.

and seems related to bitrate numbers

https://www.xdcam-user.com/2016/02/xavc-class-480-what-is-it/

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=182715

Illusion wrote on 2/1/2023, 6:20 PM

They are related to bitrate.

Here is a Class 480 with an actual bitrate of 469 Mb/s.

General
Complete name                            : F:\Renders\20210703_A7C0134.MXF
Format                                   : MXF
Format version                           : 1.3
Format profile                           : OP-1a
Format settings                          : Closed / Complete
File size                                : 952 MiB
Duration                                 : 17 s 17 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 469 Mb/s
Package name                             : 20210703_A7C0134
Encoded date                             : 2023-02-01 23:11:05.000
Writing application                      : Sony Catalyst 2022.1
Writing library                          : Sony MXF Development Kit (Win32) 4.20.0.153.1

And a Class 300

Format                                   : MXF
Format version                           : 1.3
Format profile                           : OP-1a
Format settings                          : Closed / Complete
File size                                : 847 MiB
Duration                                 : 24 s 24 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 296 Mb/s
Package name                             : 20210715_A7C0313
Encoded date                             : 2023-01-29 20:17:12.000
Writing application                      : Sony Catalyst 2022.1
Writing library                          : Sony MXF Development Kit (Win32) 4.20.0.153.1

Tenania-Parent wrote on 2/2/2023, 3:11 PM

Hi everyone,

I just had a 43Mb update through MAGIX UPDATE NOTIFIER, it probably reseted my software, but now it is back to normal. I can edit .MXF files for lossless quality.

Thank you for your help and reactivity.

Now back to work.