My Personal and Biggest Request for 5.0

MUTTLEY wrote on 1/2/2004, 2:38 PM

This was mentioned some time ago in another thread, but as I am still having to deal with this in every project I undertake I felt it deserved another go-round and a little more attention. I warn you that this may be redundant if you read the other thread.

My issue is with " Smart Resample " being added to video clips by default when they are added to the timeline. I'm surprised that more people haven't complained. More often than not I see a vast improvement in the quality and clarity of my videos simply by switching to " Disable Resample " under properties. This is especially true when there is motion of when slowing down a clip. I'm simply baffled by the fact that Vegas chose to change the default ( it used to be " Disable Resample " ) when they " upgraded " Vegas and further, that there is no option anywhere to change the default. I absolutely positively should not have to change this on every clip that I add to the timeline. On more than one occasion I have rendered a clip out ( and we know how long that can take ) only to see the effects of " Smart Resample " ( a " blurring " ) and have to go in, right click, change the setting, re-render, pain in my a**.

I cannot fathom what was going through their heads when they decided to essentially add an effect to every clip by default. It would be like " Well a lot of people shoot a little to dark so lets just add a little brightness to every clip that's added to the timeline by default, and if they don't want it they can simply right click on every clip, go to properties, click " Disable Brightness " and Whalla ! They wont have extra brightness ... its just that simple. " Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous ?

Sony, Vegas, PLEASE for GODS SAKE change this back to " Disable Resample " or at the very least give me the option to change the default, I'm begging.

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

Original Thread : http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=233445

Comments

taliesin wrote on 1/2/2004, 2:55 PM

Sorry, but I disagree. I like it right the way it is and I would NOT like it if Sony would change it to "Disable Resample" as a default.

Marco

Chienworks wrote on 1/2/2004, 3:39 PM

I'd like to see the option to choose our own default value for this. I often have to switch to Disable Resample too.

PeterWright wrote on 1/2/2004, 5:06 PM

Yes, the ability to choose default would do it.

Don't forget that Smart resample only swings resampling into action if you do something, such as change speed, that "Vegas thinks" would benefit.

Obviously if you do this with most events and it looks worse, it would be annoying.

FuTz wrote on 1/2/2004, 6:13 PM

I agree with Chienworks: in Prefs!

MUTTLEY wrote on 1/5/2004, 12:29 AM

As long as they add the option to change the default, not having it is simply mind boggling. I'm more than a little surprised that more people haven't weighed in on this. I know there are quite a few more advanced users in this forum who must have noticed this. I would assume that I'm not the only one who gets perturbed at software that bullies its users into doing things a certain way, especially when it can have negative and profound effects on their work. Could it be that a lot of peeps just haven't noticed just how significantly this setting can alter their work ? Seriously, whats the deal ?

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

PeterWright wrote on 1/5/2004, 2:06 AM

From memory, the reason the default was changed to smart resample was that it applied resampling on occasions when this would BENEFIT the resultant footage.
Previously users may have missed out on the benefits of resampling simply because they weren't aware of it as a feature.

The fact that you have found effects where automatically applying resampling has negative effects needs investigating, but there's no "bullying" going on.

MarkFoley wrote on 1/5/2004, 5:04 AM

Yikes....I didn't realize the smart resampling was messing with my velocity changes....I had assumed the "blurring effect" was just part of the slowing process (although this might be the effect someone wants)....

Thanks for pointing this out....when do you think the default changed?
Mark

craftech wrote on 1/5/2004, 5:19 AM

What gets me is that this is being requested for Vegas 5.0 unstead of 4.0f.
With Vegas 2.0 they updated until Version 2.0h before coming out with Vegas 3.0. Your request, Muttley along with some of the other ones I've seen posted here could certainly be modified to Vegas 4.

John

What I really want to see is a seperate version of DVDA 2.0 with a fair upgrade price not dependent upon buying Vegas 5.0 to get the lower price. I think it would be fair considering the "not quite ready for prime time" state of DVDA 1.0 when it was released. It needs work from the ground up thereby eliminating the possibility of fixing what's wrong with it in an update.

rebel44 wrote on 1/5/2004, 5:20 AM

I have a simple wish-refresh exploler so I can add clips I just render without shutting down and restarting Vegas.

farss wrote on 1/5/2004, 5:28 AM

Pressing F5 would be a lot simpler!

MarkFoley wrote on 1/5/2004, 6:10 AM

I'm now a little confused...after checking Vega's manual it states "...when slowing a clip to 30% using a velocity envelope, resampling is recommended"
Mark

jetdv wrote on 1/5/2004, 7:15 AM

You don't have to shut down and restart Vegas to refresh the explorer window. Just hit the REFRESH button above the explorer window!

dcrandall wrote on 1/5/2004, 9:33 AM

I have to laugh. I remember reading this forum in the "old" days of Vegas 3, when one of the most prolific threads topic was "My slow motion is jerky". Of course, the solution was: "Turn on Resampling". The powers that be at Sonicfoundry obviously were listening and gave us "Smart Resampling". This seems to work well for most users since, as was stated, very few users are now complaining. Having stated this, I will agree that the user should be able to set Smart Resampling on or off as the default.

While we're on the topic of Vegas defaults that annoy:
My pet peeve is the "Smoothness" setting on keyframes, (both in Track Motion and "Pan/Crop), defaulting to 100%. The 100% setting adds a curve to any movement in an image you have set via a keyframe. This can have unexpected consequences (i.e. image moving out of the "safe area" of the TV display). I would like to have the option of setting a default for "Smoothness".

-Dan

MUTTLEY wrote on 1/5/2004, 1:27 PM

I have not noticed the slo-mo segments that I've mentioned being " jerky ", I imagine it would depended on how severe the slo-mo is. What I DO notice is that those segments are much more vivid and clear and do not look as " processed " when "Smart Resampling" is disabled.

As for users missing the benefits of resampling, I suppose I can understand that in theory but dumbing down the software hardly seems like an intelligent solution. There has to be some degree of reasonable expectation and responsibility placed on the end user to learn a little bit about the program that they have just dropped hundreds of dollars on. And to clarify, I'm not against " Smart Resampling ", only against it being set as the default on every clip that is added without any means to change it. Also perturbed that this change was not mentioned in the release notes, only that " Smart Resample " was a new feature. Would have saved me a migraine had they bothered to mention they changed the default. I would be interested to hear the results of those who hadn't noticed this and how their video looks with it disabled.

And dcrandall, I agree with ya on the " Smoothness " issue as well. Speaking for myself 9 times out of 10 I prefer " Linear " for just about anywhere this would be an option.

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

PeterWright wrote on 1/5/2004, 5:47 PM

One small point Ray.

The way you describe it sounds as if every clip is affected by having smart resampling as default.
An event is only resampled (i.e new interpolated frames added) if the event frame rate does not match the project output frame rate. This could be because a velocity envelope has been applied, or because the frame rate of the original media is different from the project's.

In all other instances, the default smart resample has no effect on the output.

Chienworks wrote on 1/5/2004, 6:16 PM

In my case, i deal with a substantial number of clips with different frame rates, usually 30 or 15fps. These usually look much better without resampling since resampling usually causes fuzzy doubled images. This means that every time i place one of these clips on the timeline i have to remember to disable resampling, and often this is the majority of the clips in a project.