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Grazie wrote on 3/24/2010, 2:26 AM
Oh yes . . .

As a quick thought/response, and within Vegas, can't you sort against their Time of creation? Shouldn't THAT be in the sequence you wish?

Grazie

Grazie wrote on 3/24/2010, 2:35 AM
In the Render Image Sequence script the options are in this format:

Image_000, Image_001, Image_002, Image_003 . . .

Untitled_000, Untitled_001, Untitled_002, Untitled_003 . . .

So, it would appear that that underscore character FORCES the sorting to look for the Numeric section of a file-name and sort that.

Consider the "Underscore"?

Grazie


PeterWright wrote on 3/24/2010, 3:12 AM
Yes, I would always use the same number of digits for all:

Clouds0001
Clouds0002

etc
Grazie wrote on 3/24/2010, 3:50 AM
Ah! So are you implying Peter that it is the same number of digits that forces the AlphaNumeric to sort correctly? In which case my thoughts on the Underscore would be irrelevant. I can live with that. So I'm guessing that the format template for this would be: MyImage000n . . or whatever the format needed. But did not necessarily require: MyImage_000n . Could be . . could be . . .

If Bob was about he'd comment on it . . or Kelly even!

Grazie
Chienworks wrote on 3/24/2010, 7:49 AM
Well, using the same number of digits will force correct sorting behavior no matter what. Windowz iz DUMB! so i rarely give it the opportunity to make decisions for me. I prefer to leave no doubt or wiggle room so i pick names that i know will work, wherever & whenever.

That being said, if there's some divider between the meat of the filename and the following digits, some newer versions of Windows will make some sort of attempt to put the files in numerical order regardless of the format of the numbers. When you rename a range of files in XP you get names like file (1).jpg, file (2).jpg ... file (9).jpg, file (10).jpg ... etc. Windows does seem to correctly put #10 after #9, instead of between #1 & #2. What actually triggers this behavior i've never quite determined. However, i'd be willing to guess that with filenames like picture01.jpg, picture1953.jpg, picture34239.jpg, Windows may not be smart enough to pick up the numbers.
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 3/24/2010, 9:49 AM
The problem isn't with Windows, it's the way Vegas looks at it. Explorer renames it correctly.... Clouds (0) Clouds (1)..... But after importing to Vegas the files are in a pre mentioned order.
dlion wrote on 3/24/2010, 10:15 AM
i think clouds0001... is the way to go.

hm, when i drag a series of clips labeled numerically to the timeline (clip1-clip5) they don't necessarily come in in that order. frequently, one or more will be in the wrong position on the tl (clip1, clip3, clip 4, clip5, clip2). is this a vegas bug, or a feature, but we don't know what the rule is for how vegas ordes them. related?
Chienworks wrote on 3/24/2010, 11:05 AM
The file you drag is imported first, then the remaining files in order after that. So, make sure you drag the first file.

On the other hand if you're really doing timelapse, perhaps the "import image sequence" function will be more useful than dragging multiple files.
rmack350 wrote on 3/24/2010, 11:43 AM
They're being ordered alphabetically, not numerically. Zero comes before One and so on.

This is why 10 comes before 2. The system isn't treating "10" as a number, it treats it as a text string. When you compare the strings, one of them starts with a 1 and the other starts with a 2. By this logic 100000 comes before 2.

To get your naming in the right order you should always pad out the number with zeros so that the numbering looks like abc_0000, abc_00002,... abc_00011... etc.


If you bring your stills sequence in by File/Import/Media, choosing the lowest numbered image, and ticking the "Open still image sequence" then Vegas will get the ordering right. If, however, you drag a set of numbered images onto the timeline then the ordering will be affected by the sort order of the project media window or the Explorer window. In this second case you should sort by date/time as Grazie suggests.

Rob Mack
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 3/24/2010, 12:19 PM
I can import a PNG "still image sequence" but not JPG.
I would like to test it to see if this option would work.
Chienworks wrote on 3/24/2010, 1:46 PM
Why not JPG sequences? I can import an image sequence of any type that Vegas supports: PNG, JPG, TIF, GIF, TGA, BMP, etc. They all work fine.
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 3/24/2010, 2:11 PM
I had the same problem on my XP64bit, Vegas 9c installation. I have just installed Win7 64, Vegas 9c and have same issue. All JPG's images are from Canon 20D.
Grazie wrote on 3/24/2010, 3:07 PM
I thought all this issue of Image Sequencing sounded familiar . . http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=670523Kinda brought it all back to me . . . [/link]

Relevant?

Grazie

Chienworks wrote on 3/24/2010, 7:42 PM
LightAds, ok ... but what exactly is the problem? What happens when you try to import JPG images as an image sequence? What goes wrong?
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 3/24/2010, 11:17 PM
Chienworks: The checkbox to import image sequence is grey'd out when I browse JPG images, but for PNG's it's enabled.
Grazie wrote on 3/25/2010, 1:44 AM
Er . . may be a Red Herring here . . But in the dim distant past, did we have an issue about openning UPPER-case JPEGS? Might have been another issue, I'll accept that, but PNGs openning and Jpegs not, I've gotta be thinking that it is to do with the case-naming format? We have "Clouds" not openning and "clouds" openning yes? . . . try a lower "C" - nothing to loose.

I'm trying here . . .

Grazie
farss wrote on 3/25/2010, 3:59 AM
Seeing as how my name got mentioned somewhere above :)

Yes, image sequences should be named with 5 numbers at the end and with leading zeros. I thinks thats right and it is an industry standard. Not that it might matter much in this case so long as you've got enough leading zeroes.

Kicking around somewhere on one of my way too numerous PCs I have a freeware file renaming utility that you can coax into changing Image1 to Image00001 etc. Certainly worth having in the warchest for moments like these.

Speaking of Vegas's Explorer window has anyone else noted that the dates in there are always in US format which is kind of another form of cultural imperalism and annoying.

Bob.
PeterWright wrote on 3/25/2010, 4:06 AM
> Speaking of Vegas's Explorer window has anyone else noted that the dates in there are always in US format which is kind of another form of cultural imperalism and annoying.

Go easy on 'em Bob - they are learning our ways - at least their poor can now go to hospital.

edit: sorry, that sounded sarcastic, what I really mean is - congratulations!
Grazie wrote on 3/25/2010, 4:31 AM
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Grazie
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 3/25/2010, 4:48 AM
Two things I found out that may help in this regard:

1) If you use Explorer to rename your files then it re-names as :

image (1).jpg
image (2).jpg ... etc.

That's why Vegas can't import a JPG still image seqquence. take away the () then I can.

2) When displaying JPG's inside Vegas click the column labeled "Date Modified". The files are now displayed in the order when they were captured.

Hey Grazie, thanks for the links.