Need Some Camcorder Purchse Help

elvindeath wrote on 2/19/2008, 7:12 PM
Hey all.

I'm in the market for a new Camcorder. It's been a while since I looked for a new unit (I'm currently using a Sony DCR-DVD403) ... I'm hoping you all can help steer my search in the riht direction.

Here's some considerations:

1. I currently use Vegas 7.0 for editing my home movie projects. Won't upgrade until at least the next version, unless there is some ridiculously overwhelming reason.

2. I shoot home movies - mostly with the kids and family and stuff. The biggest "reason" for upgrading is (a) we're doing a big family Disney Trip in June and (b) I've got a 2 year old, and the more "HD" footage I capture, the better the memories will look 30 years down the road.

3. I'm currently using a DVD based Camcorder. I hate it. I thought I'd love it (because I could "watch" the DVDs instantly) ... but the compromises are too much: the compression artifacting sucks, the DVDs I've burned are easily scratched and ruined and working with the RAW video in Vegas is horrible (no scene recognition, etc). Working with tape was infinately easier.

I really like what I've seen on the Canon models so far, but my understanding is that Vegas may not work with their HD recording format. Is that true ?

Also, what do you prefer - tape or Hard Drive ? The Hard Drive scares me a little - how am I going to "archive" that raw footage ? Burning HD video to standard DVD seems like it would be a pain. How hard is it ? Are there editing advantages of HDD units that make it preferable to you over a tape format ?

I'm hoping to keep the price under $1100US for the unit. Bonus points to a model that has good low-light performance, as I'd like to take some video inside some relatively dark locations during our trip (restaurants, rides and the like). Also, Sony's 5.1 Surround recording on my DVD403 is pretty cool ... I'd like a similar mike (even if it isn't "true" surround) if possible.

Any thoughts or recent "reviews" you can point me to are much appreciated.

Comments

busterkeaton wrote on 2/19/2008, 8:42 PM
I would search this board for Canon HV20 and the Sony HDR-HC7.

There's an HC9 now, but I haven't heard anything about that. Canon makes a HV30, but the early reviews said it wasn't an improvement.

Soniclight wrote on 2/19/2008, 10:03 PM
Elvin,

If you haven't already gone there yet, one of the best online review resources is CamcorderInfo.Com (link included below). Just go through the menus for the types, brands, etc. to fine tune your search and see what they have to say.

But be ready to get some really detailed info on some models :)

As far as coming up with some acceptable win-win of the things you would like, it's always rather personal. But one thing that has been mentioned to me over and over is to not expect great low-light performance from consumer cams in that price range.

I'm planning on spending about double that on a used/mint FX1 and it's good, but not ideal in that aspect.

The technology-vs.-hardware-cost-and-budget manufacturer's equations haven't yet come up with anything mind-blowing.

Yet.

Last, but not least, as has also been pointed out to me:

--- The low-light thing can be sidestepped gracefully if you have some kind of control over lighting (i.e. at home, yard, etc.) A couple of $29 500W twin halogen lamps from Home Depot can do wonders. Plug them into a dimmer module and you're all set.

Good luck on your further adventures. Getting a new cam is exciting :)

Camcorder Info
elvindeath wrote on 2/20/2008, 5:19 PM
Thanks for the tips. The HV20 is the one I've had my eye on for the last year, and I've read the Camcorder Info write up ... thanks for linking it.

Anyone have the HV20 and edit with Vegas ? Is it doable, or does Sony refuse to support competing HD encoding in order to drive business to Sony models ?

Cheno wrote on 2/20/2008, 5:45 PM
Yes the HV20 as well as plain 'ol Canon HDV and Vegas don't get along like they should. I would consider investing in Cineform software if you go Canon. I love the HV20 and at that price point, I don't think Sony's cams are comparible. The HV20 matches up so well with higher end HDV Canon cams, we use it quite frequently.

Not sure what the Canon issue is with Vegas 8 - Vegas 7 doesn't have a problem. So pending what version of Vegas you have, you may be fine out the gate.

cheno
elvindeath wrote on 2/20/2008, 5:58 PM
Thanks Cheno. I've got Vegas 7 ... haven't invested in 8 (probably will wait at least until 9 to upgrade). Sounds like I'll be okay then ?