Net Framework 1.1 issue - any hint?

Cunhambebe wrote on 5/22/2004, 6:51 AM
I've read some posts around here on NetFramework issue. After installing NET Framework for both Vegas 5.0 or DVDA 2.0, I've started to have some annoying different screens (for logon). Unistalling NET Framework solved the problem. I just wonder if I can run Vegas 5.0 and DVDA 2.0 without NET Framework (I don't want to render in a pc network or something....nor running scripts).
Thanks in advance.
PS SONY and/or MICROSOFT SHOULD CLEARLY WARN USERS ON THIS ISSUE.

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JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/22/2004, 7:02 AM
The answer is in this thread. Read the thread in the link and make the fix. Bottom line: Vegas will not work without the .NET Framework and you can blame Microsoft for your problems not Sony.

~jr
Cunhambebe wrote on 5/22/2004, 10:23 PM
Thanks Johnny for taking time to respond. I've read that post before even copying some instructions then on how to open regedit and some other stuff. Now, can u please tell me how to disable that? I just don't know how.
thanks in advance.
PS: I've already burned a DVD with DVDA 2.0 "without NET Framework 1.1". It seemed to work......
JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/22/2004, 10:43 PM
Sure no problem. Just delete the ASPNET userid.

Start->Control Panel->User Accounts. Then select Change an account, pick the ASPNET account and delete it. Done deal. No more security hole, no more logon on screen. Happy, happy joy, joy. ;-)

~jr
Cunhambebe wrote on 5/23/2004, 12:26 AM
Thanks Johnny...I'll try to do it. In spite of your answer (you state that Vegas does not run/work without NET Framework), after uninstalling NET Framework 1.1, as far as I know, I can open Vegas, play a little....haven't tested yet for rendering, this is certain. Are u absolutely sure Vegas cannot run without NET Framework?

One more thing: after installing Vegas 5.0 I cannot open Boris Red as one of its plug-ins anymore. Do you know anything about that? Thanks a lot.
jetdv wrote on 5/23/2004, 4:03 AM
Vegas uses .NET if you use scripts or network rendering (may be other cases as well).

The Boris problem has also been recently discussed here. You need to copy a couple of DLL's from the 4 installation to the 5 installation.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/23/2004, 6:40 AM
As Jetdv pointed out, Vegas only uses the .NET Framework for a few things. In version 4, you had to install it after the fact and then only if you needed it. I thought I read that in version 5, Vegas would not install without installing .NET also. (I can’t tell because I already have .NET installed). This is probably to make sure that people have a complete installation. Otherwise they’d be getting customer service calls when people tried to use Scripting or some other feature that needed it and it failed. (They probably got a lot of those in V4)

As someone who tries to help people here in the community, there were several times when I would have recommended to someone that they use a script to solve a particular problem, but if they were a newbie, I would hesitate because then I have to explain how to download .NET and install it, and it just got too complicated to solve a simple problem. So I think Sony made the right choice in having .NET install with Vegas. This is Microsoft’s application platform of the future so it’s just a matter of time before some application you buy is going to require it and it will almost certainly ship as part of the base of the next MS operating system.

So Vegas does not require .NET just to run, it only needs it for certain things. This is why you are able to run without it. Personally I could not live with scripting (I use it every day) and so not having .NET would be missing out on a large part of my workflow.

~jr
Cunhambebe wrote on 5/23/2004, 7:06 AM
Thanks to both jetdv and Johnny. In fact I installed NET Framework but as soon as I noticed the annoying logon screen, I uninstalled it. Since then, Vegas is running well (unfortunately, I don't run scripts not because I am a newbie but because I don't know how to do it). Just that.
About Boris Red. I've already read some posts on this issue, but I don't know how to copy those dll files from Vegas 4.0 to 5.0. The thing is, I've already uninstalled version 4.0, but If I'm not mistaken there is still a folder from version 4.0 around here. I'll check it out and reply as soon as possible. Thanks again for the valuable help.
Cunhambebe wrote on 5/23/2004, 7:21 AM
OK, the procedure described by jetdv works well and safe for Boris Red 3.1 Open GL (despite the fact I haven't tested yet - haven't rendered any effect yet).
Attention Boris Red users. Do the following.
-open windows explorer
-program files
-Sonic Foundry folder
-Vegas 4.0 (there'sl only a subfolder there named Video Plug-Ins)
-you'll see both dll files: BorisRED3 VVFL.dll and BorisRED3 VVTR.dll
-mouse left click to select both, right click to copy them
-go to SONY folder, and there, go to Vegas 5.0
-look for the Video Plug-Ins subfolder
-paste both files, close the three and then windows explorer.
-open vegas and click on Video FX at the bottom of the sceen, on the left
You'll see Boris there!
Dragonfly wrote on 5/24/2004, 3:41 AM
This is not really what Microsoft suggest to do. In fact we have to "hide" the user account as described by MS:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;827072
Cunhambebe wrote on 5/25/2004, 11:48 PM
I'll check it out. Thanks.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/26/2004, 6:54 AM
> This is not really what Microsoft suggest to do. In fact we have to "hide" the user account as described by MS:

You are correct and this was all pointed out in the thread that I referenced. So let me qualify my recommendation. Microsoft has placed a security hole in your system by adding a well known userid for hackers to attack (ASPNET). Any security administrator worth their salt will tell you to rename the Administrator id on Windows systems for the exact same reason (i.e., there is no Administrator account on my XP system). Since I did not authorize Microsoft to add this unneeded and unwanted userid to my system, I deleted it.

So to be clear, you have the option if leaving this security hole on your system and just hiding it as Microsoft recommends, or actually deleting and removing the security hole. Both will work. Only one is more secure. I should have listed both options in my original post (sorry)

~jr
Cunhambebe wrote on 5/28/2004, 6:01 AM
Thanks Johnny and thanks to everybody who took time to respond. Once again, my modest opinion is that SONY should make their customers aware of what's happening with NET Framework. I've uninstalled it and untill now, Vegas seems to be running well. I've also rendered a small video just to test (a very superficial test) if it'd work without NET Framework. The result? Yes, it works (at least if you're not planning to use network rendering). Anyway thanks again. I guess this topic will certainly help many users who are experiencing same problem after intalling NET Framework 1.1.
jetdv wrote on 5/28/2004, 6:13 AM
In my opinion - by removing .NET you are crippling yourself by getting rid of one of the greatest features in Vegas - SCRIPTING. I would be lost without my scripts. They save so much time that I would hate to lose them now.
Cunhambebe wrote on 5/28/2004, 12:50 PM
Would you please, jetdv, give some examples to work with scripts? Just some...For instance, let me please start with a simple one: rendering a project at the same time as MPEG2 and AC-3. Anyway, I am a newbie and I'd greatly welcome some help on how to use scripts.
thanks in advance.
jetdv wrote on 5/28/2004, 5:04 PM
Just go to Vegas Training and Tools and Tsunami to see three examples of scripts that can ease your work. I use all three in every project I edit.

Both Neon and Batch Render Pro will do the multiple renders in one step as well.

Do you need specific details?
Cunhambebe wrote on 6/6/2004, 5:00 PM
Not at all. Thank you very much for taking time to respond and sorry for the delay....
:)