To be fair, you simply searched for the words 'mac' and 'crashing', which would bring results not at all related to Apple computers crashing, Try searching for the phrase 'mac crashing' and you only get 11,700 hits :-)

Isn't that a much better result?

Geoff

Holy Mackerel Batman, I just searched for "car crash" and got "About 629,000,000" results - better not go anywhere near a car.....

and mac vs pc gets 161,000,000...

so, when you've finished reading through all those hits, please tell me what the consensus was ;-)

O bury this thread on the lone prairie, where the coyotes howl and the wind blows free. LOL!

P.S. Please do not put a tombstone there to mark it either.

"I guess we are if you are going to take the facts"
I'm confused. What FACTS have you presented?

"This is not unique to Apple"
I've pointed that out already, but w're talking about Apple here. However if you really wish to talk about the crashing habits of other platforms, we can do that too.

"Why do companies like AVID, Digidesign (ProTools), Adobe, and others "certify hardware" that is required for their software to run?"
That's a good question because you can even crash on "certified" equipment. That being the case what good is certification?

(They have opened Protools up BTW. You can now run it on a wider choice of audio cards. It's no longer restricted to one brand.I'm even running it on my Soundblaster card. Wonder why they did that???) ;)

Well..... 2 months ago I posted the price announcement of this thing... And, now NYTimes just make a review for it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/26/technology/personaltech/review-apples-new-mac-pro-computer.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&src=dayp&pagewanted=all

#1
Side note: Apple told me it considers the Mac Pro to be a “portable” desktop; many pro video and graphics editors prefer to travel with their editing rigs.

#2
I invited a friend who does freelance graphic design and video editing to come over with some 4K and 5K video he had shot. We imported the footage into Final Cut Pro X to test Apple’s claims of editing in real time, without long delays in rendering and processing video.

#3
In car terms, the new Mac Pro is like a Ferrari or a Maserati. It’s gorgeous, sexy and powerful, and a few rich people will probably buy one in order to go fast. But that doesn’t mean it could cut it in Formula One.

OUCH!... I confused with Apple designer's way of thinking right now!

-- If I have sufficient budget, will I buy MacPro? hmm, No, thank you. :)

Exactly what I have been saying. The new mac pro is about as fast as a year old Clevo laptop with desktop cpu and dual gpus. Costs about the same as this mac, comes with a screen and is portable in the real sense of the word.

>>>In car terms, the new Mac Pro is like a Ferrari or a Maserati<<<

That, no, not even close. Only price wise, performance wise it's not even a mid range BMW

Ferrari price, BMW performance and the look of 1970s Trabant ( look it up if not sure )

DISCLAIMER: Shameless name-calling

Love it. laughed my head off.
Still getting one though :)

i used to be the Windows guy that laughed at Mac guys for wasting their money. And I hated that all knowing smirky smile when they said "You just don't get it".
Arghhh. Made me so mad.
Then through some different circumstances, I ended up with a Macbook Pro....
The last nine months using that as my second machine have changed my mind.
They just work better. From surfing the net to navigating Finder.
I still do all my larger video work on my Windows desktop. Its just a more powerful machine.
When it comes time to buy another workstation though....hmmmm
Premium price to have a more pleasant easy going work day.

Just saying , if you get a chance to try using a Mac, try it. Vegas will be there soon. And its not religion, you can change back.
Im not trying to change anyones mind, and call me a blind fool if you want.
You probably just don't get it.... lol

> Posted by: Jedman "Love it. laughed my head off.... Still getting one though :)"

+1 :)

I'm planning to pick up a Mac Pro next year. I can't justify buying a new computer right now because I just built this darn Windows 7 hex core. I wish I hadn't because the hex core Mac Pro is about the same price as the VideoGuys DIY9 Hot Rod so "I could'a had a Mac"! I wish Apple hadn't waited so long to announce the new model but my old PC was over 5 years old and I really needed more power. Now I regret the purchase. :(

> Posted by: Jedman "i used to be the Windows guy that laughed at Mac guys for wasting their money. And I hated that all knowing smirky smile when they said "You just don't get it". "

Me too. It's not about the hardware... it's not about the software... it's about the seamless integration of an entire ecosystem of hardware and software that works effortlessly together. When I open FCP X and want to add some images, my entire iPhoto collection with all of the albums that I've already made with all the meta-data is instantly available in the media window. I don't have to leave FCP X. If I want to add music, my entire iTunes collection shows up in FCP X as Albums and Songs (not folders and files) along with all the songs I've created with GarageBand. Everything is seamlessly integrated into everything else. It all works as one homogeneous system and you don't even have to think about it... it just works!

Until you try it, you won't get it because you can't imagine how productive you can be... and I've used a PC for over 30 years and I'd never go back to "managing" a computer instead of just "using" one as a tool. The only catch is that you have to be willing to "unlearn" your PC ways. if you can't do that, you'll hate the Mac. ;-)

~jr

Right. My parody video [made quick and dirty in Vegas Pro, BTW] is just a tongue in cheek jab at what will probably turn out to be a sleeper hit in our community. I love the idea of a unified thermal core. I love the idea of really fast OS drives [SSDs are changing my life!!!]. And after doing some freelance recently on FCPX, I'm having a very difficult time finding fault with this new way of editing on the Mac- especially when combined with a trackpad and the various gestures for window/app management in Mac OS!

Will I abandon Vegas Pro? No way. Will I go all Mac OS with all Apple hardware? Nope. Will I likely buy a massive piece of PVC or ABS tubing to try out as a DIY computer case, with a single water cooled radiator and tubes running to all GPUs/CPUs on my next build? WHY THE HECK NOT?!

The rules just keep changing!

"The rules just keep changing! "

And the industry just keeps justifying why we should continue spending our money!

Sigh, what an EXPENSIVE hobby!!!

not necessarily a hobby for some - but i rather liked this parody which sums up my feelings quite succinctly...

Lol.
"Calm down Gerda, we can still go Windows".
Awesome.

The Hitler parody says it perfectly :)

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Btw, Someone nickname "VideoEditorBeast" wrote a comment at original TheVerge MacPro announcement article:

THE PRO INDUSTRY DOES NOT USE ALL APPLE STUFF. This is the hugest misconception. Apple used to make pretty bad *ss pre built pcs in the 90s. Now there are hundreds that make this. Most companies use PCs and most really high end use linux. I see apple in graphic design, print shops that use photoshop/illustrator primarily. This is the latest and greatest from apple but generally speaking we in the digital media industry are not that impressed. Mac = “Fischer Price” of computers. The OS has all pictures and animated window functions and a baby can use it its so easy. The first step for us pros is to learn how to turn all that crap off;) Mac OS is notorious for using precious system resources on silly OS graphics and animations and such. You get a decent stable system all in a box. All pre made. For a price. This is no improvement over a top spec dell or HP or any other brand. No one edits with native 4k video nor do we need to. Theres no reason for it. We edit in offline workflows. This is not the fastest system, not the most configurable, not the perfect combination of components but a pretty good system that will turn on and off and work with minimal initial set up if you need no set up and have the extra cash. No pro 3d studios render on mac pros that i know of. They use linux render farms.Thats the real talk in the industry (DIT, Film Edit Suites,FX Compositing etc). The only thing is thunderbolt which on a laptop is an advantage for Apple. The rest is all marketing. There is no advantage in our industry to have a small footprint workstation or a computer that doesnt even have Nvidea Quadro cards in it. We simply don’t care. We are paying for something that we can configure as our software/outboard hardware needs specific items to optimize our workflow. I work on both Mac Pros and HP Z800s. To be honest…the big renders and such are all on the HP’s because they have been custom configured for our needs. The mac pros are there to convert old FCP projects to avid. 2 years ago I built a dual processor system with 2 zeon 5690,mobo that can do 4 GPUs, 24 gig ram, quadro 5000, usb3, SSD system drive,liquid cooled with Win 7 Ult case cables etc for cheaper than a top spec mac pro which had weaker components. It might be faster than this one too! People forget that computer components plug together as easy as a wall outlet. Its “Pro” to consumer markets but is really just an expensive “pre built” to the professional digital media industry. Its probably pretty fast at most stuff though, but very pricey. Don’t get suckered buy consumer marketing.

Posted on Oct 27, 2013 | 6:38 PM

>>>Me too. It's not about the hardware... it's not about the software... It all works as one homogeneous system and you don't even have to think about it... it just works!<<<

No it does not. And you made a good point when you said "you don't even have to think about it.." That is exactly what I always say. Macs are for people who are incapable of thinking or for some reason do not want to think.

You pick software you want to use, then you buy hardware that will run it. Mac will not run 90% of what I prefer to use. Who in their right mind wants to deal with iPhoto, Garage band or iTunes, especially iTunes, it's like a virus you can't get rid of.

People need tutorials and apps just to enable simple drag and drop from any drive to iPod ( without iTunes ). This is what you call: "it just works"?

> Posted by: deusx "Macs are for people who are incapable of thinking or for some reason do not want to think."

Actually, Macs are for people who don't care to become system administrators and just want to be productive. If you like micro-managing your computer then don't get a Mac because you'll have nothing to do and will be quite bored. You are correct. I don't "think" about my computer anymore. I just use it as a tool. It's liberating not to have to stop and think about where to place data or how to find files. It's like File Manager Apps for the iPad. The whole idea behind the iPad is that you don't have to manage files anymore. But the first thing PC people who buy iPad's do is download a file manager app because they have been trained to be system administrators and worry about that sort of thing. This is why I say you have to be willing to unlearn your PC ways. I understand fully that you have no desire to do that so you're not Apple's target market.

> Posted by: deusx "Who in their right mind wants to deal with iPhoto, Garage band or iTunes, especially iTunes, it's like a virus you can't get rid of."

Have you ever used a Mac for more than a week? If you are judging Apple's software by how it runs on Windows then that's your misunderstanding. iTunes is c*r*a*p on Windows. iTunes is great on the Mac. When I came back from my Italy trip my in-laws came over my house and my wife wanted to show them our photographs. I opened iPhoto and started a slide show but didn't have any Italian music. I went into iTunes, purchased an album of Italian Favorites, went back to iPhoto, selected the album (which instantly showed up), targeted my Apple TV and within minutes we were watching a slideshow of my trip to Italy on our HD TV with accompanying music. That's why I use the terms "all seamlessly integrated" and "It just works"... because it does.

GarageBand allows me to compose on my iPad or even my iPhone when I'm stuck waiting to pick up the kids from school, and I can finish it off on my Mac mini when I get home simply by opening the application. No data transfer required. Everything is stored in iCloud. The song I just created with GarageBand on my iPhone is instantly available in GarageBand on my desktop. It's all seamless. You will never understand.

> Posted by: deusx "People need tutorials and apps just to enable simple drag and drop from any drive to iPod ( without iTunes ). This is what you call: "it just works"?"

No absolutely not! You didn't hear what I said. I said, "It's about the seamless integration of an entire ecosystem of " If you're not going to use the software (iTunes) then you're not going to get the seamless experience. If you feel that iTunes is like a "virus" because it takes over the playback of all media on your computer, you have to understand that on the Mac, that is the beauty of iTunes. It does everything you need so you don't need anything else. The problem with Windows is that too much software competes to do the same task and often conflicts with each other. There are too many video containers, etc. On the Mac, there is QuickTime and there is iTunes. One thing when all you need is one thing.

~jr

Hilarious JR! But true.

I've been using my iPhone for 3 years plus and whatever I do it just works. It's just a working device. As soon as SONY can give me a GRAZIE-Proof iVegas on a slab..... I'm off.

Grazie.

"Actually, Macs are for people who don't care to become system administrators and just want to be productive. If you like micro-managing your computer then don't get a Mac because you'll have nothing to do and will be quite bored."

I think that's a good way of putting it. If you're willing to work within certain confines and (Apple set) limits, then a mac is probably a good choice for you and you will have a good experience. If on the other hand you want to build, tiddle and diddle, have flexibility of past technology as well as present, then a mac is not for you
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Well... it *may* be a problem if you don't know what you are doing, but it's a clear and distinctive advantage if you do.

The other problem is that this is no longer a "one thing" world. Yesteryear there was only really one standard way of delivering a video. Today there are many. Take your pick. If you do freelance video for a living then you need to be prepared to accept and deal with all levels of containers, audio types, media types etc.... and that's where Apple falls dreadfully short and you start looking for programs which aren't so seamless.

I like to compare it all to FACETIME (a video phone software on Apple's iphone). Facetime is only good between iphones and won't work with other different name brand phones.... and if you think about it, it's a pretty silly concept because the chances are great at some point you will need to converse with people who have a phone such as Android. When that point comes (not if, but when) you will have to go outside the Apple confines and download a more universal software.

But hey.... if you can do it on quicktime and only quicktime, it'll be a small world... but a good one.

"I've been using my iPhone for 3 years plus and whatever I do it just works. It's just a working device."

I have an iphone and a Samsung Galaxy and I can easily tell you that the Galaxy just works.... BETTER.

"In a Galaxy Far Far away....."

I'll have a dekko at one

G

That must be the longest working iphone in the world Grazie. Everyone I know who has owned an iphone - including both of my daughters - has had problems with them. To me they seem ridiculously fragile. My eldest girl is on her 4th replacement! My Sony Xperia has been dropped more than once, and skidded across a car park like a pebble on a lake (slipped out of my hand as I closed the car door!) and there's barely a mark on it. Also, iphones appear to sport a tiny screen which is waaaaaay out of date. But...if I ask WHY do you bother with that crap...the answer is "because they're so cool"!