New Editing Procedure

MH7 wrote on 5/16/2024, 10:02 AM

Okay, so this isn’t your typical post. But following a problem that I was having, specific to AMD drivers I believe, I have had to somewhat change the way I edit. As can be seen on my profile on here, I have a tech related YouTube channel that is aptly named - Tech Wired Geek -. I often would use Track Motion to assist me in animating, with keyframes, certain elements in my VEGAS Pro projects.

However, due to the problem I was having with Track Motion when enabling shadows that is detailed here. I have had to go about animating, with keyframes, any elements with the Picture-In-Picture plugin. Honestly, it has been an interesting experience using it, not necessarily bad, just different.

One of the features of VEGAS Pro 20 (which, IIRC, was introduced back in VEGAS Pro 18 or 19) has become extremely helpful in placing objects quite precisely (yes, I like precision, if you didn’t already know) is the ability to zoom in with the preview window. I don’t know much you can zoom in, but I have seen it reach a zoom percentage of over 1,000% which is awesome and very helpful for placing and sizing things accurately.

The only thing that I wish I could do is use my keyboard’s arrow keys, like I can on some of my image editors, to move things ever so slightly in any direction with the Picture-In-Picture plugin whilst my mouse pointer is on the preview window to move object elements. Nevertheless, I managed to somehow get around that problem.

One other thing that would be helpful, would be the ability to horizontally scroll the timeline with the horizontal scroll wheel on my Logitech MX Master 2S mouse. I can do this in Microsoft PowerPoint (when creating my graphics) and in some of my image editors, and, I believe, even some other NLE video editors allow horizontal scrolling with a mouse, but not VEGAS Pro (unless I’m missing something).

Those couple of things aside, I have been really enjoying creating my new YouTube intro in VEGAS Pro. My new intro is styled after the common material design theme that is seen on various media presentations these days. I also, for the first time, created my first mask with Event Pan/Crop and have discovered many other interesting and awesome features with just the Event Pan/Crop tool. In fact, one of the options, just by changing them, has enabled me to use textured backgrounds or images in my intro (without masking) which has opened up a lot of possibilities when editing and key-framing various elements, even lower thirds.

I just wanted to write this post to show how I am using VEGAS Pro, changes I’d like to see, and finally, that I’m quite thankful to MAGIX and the VEGAS Creative software team in how much they have continued to develop VEGAS Pro to make it increasingly better with every update and new version. Because there are things that I couldn’t do with previous versions of VEGAS Pro that I can do now with VEGAS Pro 20. Yes, it’s not perfect. No software is. But I still appreciate how creative you can be with the software. It’s been awesome!
 

MH7

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 5/16/2024, 10:23 AM

Do you know the Contour Jogshuttle? Maybe helpfull for you, since you can programm a lot of movements in the Jogshuttle - also in the timeline.

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 5/16/2024, 10:24 AM

And thank you for your great comment!

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mark-y wrote on 5/16/2024, 10:27 AM

The only thing that I wish I could do is use my keyboard’s arrow keys, like I can on some of my image editors, to move things ever so slightly in any direction

I agree that Nudge with the arrow keys would be nice.

One other thing that would be helpful, would be the ability to horizontally scroll the timeline with the horizontal scroll wheel on my Logitech MX Master 2S mouse.

Most of us don't have a horizontal scroll wheel, but many applications accomplish this with Ctrl+Scroll.

Gid wrote on 5/16/2024, 10:57 AM

@MH7 I've been looking for a new mouse, in Vegas Ctrl+scroll wheel vertically scrolls, Shift+scroll wheel horizontally scrolls -

So does this not work with that mouse?

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Gid wrote on 5/16/2024, 11:13 AM

The only thing that I wish I could do is use my keyboard’s arrow keys, like I can on some of my image editors, to move things ever so slightly in any direction with the Picture-In-Picture plugin whilst my mouse pointer is on the preview window to move object elements. Nevertheless, I managed to somehow get around that problem.
 

@MH7 If it helps, if you go to the PinP control window - Location - the little box with a cross in the middle, place your cursor on the + (no need to click on it), press the Ctrl key & scroll wheel it will move the PinP on screen vertically in increments of 0.010, If you then also press the Alt key as well as the Ctrl key it will move the PinP in increments of 0.010 horizontally.

Ctrl or Alt+keyboard arrow keys work this way also

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bvideo wrote on 5/16/2024, 11:31 AM

Alt-Shift seems to work with the mouse wheel to scroll the timeline.

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 5/16/2024, 3:52 PM

@MH7 The ability to zoom in and out of the preview window was heaven sent. Had been dying for this feature from Vegas 7. And now even more intuitive than its equivalent in After Effects..... And yes you can horizontally scroll the timeline with the horizontal scroll wheel. What i use to add further customization to my mouse is a simple little tool called X-Mouse Button Control.

J-Toresen wrote on 5/16/2024, 3:58 PM

Shift + mouse wheel scolls the timeline.

Jøran Toresen

MH7 wrote on 5/16/2024, 6:40 PM

@MH7 I've been looking for a new mouse, in Vegas Ctrl+scroll wheel vertically scrolls, Shift+scroll wheel horizontally scrolls -

So does this not work with that mouse?

Thanks mate. To be honest, I hadn’t actually tried that. It seems that other’s comments on here are also giving options on how to scroll with a mouse, like mine, that has a horizontal scroll wheel, horizontally on the VEGAS Pro timeline.

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My New Productivity Workstation/Gaming PC 2024

CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend (AM5)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
Storage SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB SSD

GPU: Asus TUF GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT (16 GB)

OS: Windows 11 (Build: 23H2)

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MH7 wrote on 5/16/2024, 6:47 PM

The only thing that I wish I could do is use my keyboard’s arrow keys, like I can on some of my image editors, to move things ever so slightly in any direction with the Picture-In-Picture plugin whilst my mouse pointer is on the preview window to move object elements. Nevertheless, I managed to somehow get around that problem.
 

@MH7 If it helps, if you go to the PinP control window - Location - the little box with a cross in the middle, place your cursor on the + (no need to click on it), press the Ctrl key & scroll wheel it will move the PinP on screen vertically in increments of 0.010, If you then also press the Alt key as well as the Ctrl key it will move the PinP in increments of 0.010 horizontally.

Ctrl or Alt+keyboard arrow keys work this way also

Thank you! I will have to try that. I had tried using the mouse keys without using the Ctrl or Alt keys and it seems to move way too much for my liking. However, I will definitely try your suggestion with the scroll wheel (or arrow keys) and Ctrl or Alt keys. 😀👍

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My YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TechWiredGeek

Video Cameras: Sony FDR-AX700 and iPhone 12 Pro Max (iOS 17)

============================================

My New Productivity Workstation/Gaming PC 2024

CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend (AM5)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
Storage SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB SSD

GPU: Asus TUF GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT (16 GB)

OS: Windows 11 (Build: 23H2)

Main Monitor: LG 27UD88-W 4K IPS

Secondary Monitor: LG 27UL850 4K HDR IPS

MH7 wrote on 5/16/2024, 6:57 PM

One other thing that would be helpful, would be the ability to horizontally scroll the timeline with the horizontal scroll wheel on my Logitech MX Master 2S mouse.

Most of us don't have a horizontal scroll wheel, but many applications accomplish this with Ctrl+Scroll.

Hmm…well I didn’t know that. But, what I can say is that they come in very handy in many situations.

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Video Cameras: Sony FDR-AX700 and iPhone 12 Pro Max (iOS 17)

============================================

My New Productivity Workstation/Gaming PC 2024

CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend (AM5)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
Storage SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB SSD

GPU: Asus TUF GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT (16 GB)

OS: Windows 11 (Build: 23H2)

Main Monitor: LG 27UD88-W 4K IPS

Secondary Monitor: LG 27UL850 4K HDR IPS

MH7 wrote on 5/16/2024, 7:04 PM

@MH7 The ability to zoom in and out of the preview window was heaven sent. Had been dying for this feature from Vegas 7. And now even more intuitive than its equivalent in After Effects..... And yes you can horizontally scroll the timeline with the horizontal scroll wheel.

Yes, it most definitely has been a very nice added feature. If I’m not mistaken, I believe they added it because of DaVinci Resolve having this feature. I do have DaVinci Resolve installed on my system (the free version, that is; apparently version 19 that has been released in BETA has enable hardware accelerated encoding and decoding of certain CoDecs on the DaVinci Resolve 19 timeline in the free version, which has been absent in version 18 for the free version).

What i use to add further customization to my mouse is a simple little tool called X-Mouse Button Control.

Ah, okay. Thanks for that. I will have to search for that and see how it is.

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Video Cameras: Sony FDR-AX700 and iPhone 12 Pro Max (iOS 17)

============================================

My New Productivity Workstation/Gaming PC 2024

CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend (AM5)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
Storage SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB SSD

GPU: Asus TUF GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT (16 GB)

OS: Windows 11 (Build: 23H2)

Main Monitor: LG 27UD88-W 4K IPS

Secondary Monitor: LG 27UL850 4K HDR IPS

MH7 wrote on 5/16/2024, 7:06 PM

Alt-Shift seems to work with the mouse wheel to scroll the timeline.

Thanks! I will definitely give that a try.

John 14:6 | Romans 10:9-10, 13, 10:17 | Ephesians 2:8-9
————————————————————————————————————

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VEGAS Pro Help: VEGAS Pro FAQs and TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDES

My YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TechWiredGeek

Video Cameras: Sony FDR-AX700 and iPhone 12 Pro Max (iOS 17)

============================================

My New Productivity Workstation/Gaming PC 2024

CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend (AM5)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
Storage SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB SSD

GPU: Asus TUF GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT (16 GB)

OS: Windows 11 (Build: 23H2)

Main Monitor: LG 27UD88-W 4K IPS

Secondary Monitor: LG 27UL850 4K HDR IPS

Gid wrote on 5/16/2024, 7:42 PM

@MH7 The ability to zoom in and out of the preview window was heaven sent. Had been dying for this feature from Vegas 7. And now even more intuitive than its equivalent in After Effects..... And yes you can horizontally scroll the timeline with the horizontal scroll wheel.

Yes, it most definitely has been a very nice added feature. If I’m not mistaken, I believe they added it because of DaVinci Resolve having this feature. I do have DaVinci Resolve installed on my system (the free version, that is;

@MH7 Why they added it might be hard to say unless someone knows for sure, it could've just been inevitable or because Magix Movie Studio (previously called Movie Edit) has had this feature for many yrs. They recently updated it so it scrolls where the mouse is pointing, I've had Magix Movie Studio for nearly 20yrs, I'm not saying they've had this feature that long but you've been able to zoom in n out for as long as I can remember.

 

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At the moment my filming is done with a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 5G & a GoPro Hero11 Black

I've been a Joiner/Carpenter for 40yrs, apprentice trained time served, I don't have an apprentice of my own so to share my knowledge I put videos on YouTube.

YouTube videos - https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner