New players won't play your unencrypted BluRay

R0cky wrote on 4/16/2014, 3:03 PM
I bought an OPPO Blu Ray player for my home theater. I found it would not play any of the bluray disks I've made using DVD Architect. I contacted their technical support, sent them samples, and got the following reply.

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We received the discs and can confirm that the reason why they are not loading is due to the fact that these are so called BD-5/9 discs. We no longer support this kind of discs due to pressure from the BDA to remove the ability to playback commercial Blu-rays ripped into BDMV architecture. If the AACS has been stripped, then the player will no longer be able to read the discs.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
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The player will also not play if I use a BD-25 disk and author to that.

I returned the Oppo player to the retailer for a refund and got a Pioneer player that still will play unencrypted disks fortunately.

SCS, what do you say about this? I assume that Sony Pictures likes it this way. Is there no future for us making BluRays?

rocky

Comments

videoITguy wrote on 4/16/2014, 3:20 PM
STOP the piracy and do what you can do- take a Hollywood disc, play in a good player that has composite video out, deliver that to a computer capture port on the PC - then remaster, edit, and author your own personalized version or trailer or whatever it is you want after all this hassle - and be done.

Burned Blu-ray is for creating home movies and authoring for specific client bases like weddings and corporate training. That's it my friend.
PeterDuke wrote on 4/16/2014, 8:30 PM
How would that help?

Rocky just said that he could not play a BD that he had made on the latest OPPO. If that is the trend then we won't be able to play our weddings and training BDs on new hardware players.
videoITguy wrote on 4/16/2014, 8:55 PM
per the msgs in his OP post, he is ripping Blu-ray and not doing it successfully with the method and software he has at hand. He may have the option of going to some other DARK side sites to do otherwise - I just offered to ask him to NOT be a pirate.
R0cky wrote on 4/16/2014, 9:39 PM
No, I am not pirating anything. I don't see how you get that from what I wrote. These are BluRay disks of my own material that I authored in DVDA.

The message from Oppo is that the reason they are pressured to change the programming of the player is to prevent piracy which has the additional effect that any unencrypted disc won't play.

rocky
videoITguy wrote on 4/16/2014, 9:54 PM
take your batch of burn discs to nearest electronics store and sort out what you want in a Blu-ray player. Every Blu-ray player including Oppo will play burned discs when they are done correctly.
R0cky wrote on 4/17/2014, 6:37 PM
Read what Oppo said. They have deliberately designed it to not play unencrypted disks.
videoITguy wrote on 4/17/2014, 7:08 PM
Nope, that is not true - the msg you quote : If the AACS has been stripped, then the player will no longer be able to read the discs.
If the encryption is stripped by ripping - this is what you get.
PeterDuke wrote on 4/17/2014, 7:26 PM
In what way is stripped AACS different from never had AACS?

Rocky has already proved that the new OPPO won't work with his non-encrypted home brew BDs.

That is all that matters.
R0cky wrote on 4/18/2014, 1:27 PM
As Peter said, stripping ACCS is the same as not having it in the first place. The discs that Oppo tested were my original material authored in DVDA.

Furthermore, it is not just Oppo. I found a Toshiba player that will not play them either.

rocky
Lucius Snow wrote on 4/18/2014, 5:23 PM
Terrible news.
PeterDuke wrote on 4/18/2014, 6:38 PM
I have a portable Soniq brand BD player that won't play BD-R. I bought it primarily to play DVDs with good resolution because all portable DVD players that I tried had very poor resolution. It plays commercial BDs as well as all types of DVDs.
PeterDuke wrote on 4/18/2014, 6:50 PM
A spot of good news is that I recently bought an LG HR936T BD player + TV Video Recorder, primarily for the recording function. It plays BD-Rs made with DVD Arch and doesn't have the chapter skip problem some Panasonic players such as mine have with such BD-Rs.
EricLNZ wrote on 4/18/2014, 6:54 PM
Looking at the Oppo site pages for their Blu-ray players BDP-103 and 105, both in their specs say they play BD-R/RE. So something strange here.
TVJohn wrote on 4/18/2014, 7:59 PM
The way I understand this is that a "BD5" is a standard red DVD that has HD media burned on to it, the idea was that you could use a regular blank DVD disk for HD. in a BD player. This was done a few years ago when actual BD blanks were so expensive.
I tested those, playback was unpredictable when the bitrates ran much higher than 13 mbs.
A BD/9 was a dual layer blank DVD.
PeterDuke wrote on 4/19/2014, 12:30 AM
Immediately under the specifications heading, it says:

"Designs and specifications are subject to change without notice."


Have they changed without notice?

PeterDuke wrote on 4/19/2014, 2:33 AM
The Australian Oppo web site has this statement:

"AVCHD will no longer work on the players if they have a menu system. This is required by the BDA licensing for the BDP-10x player"

The discs referred to in the first post were described by Oppo as BD5/9 discs, which are something like AVCHD discs (HD on red-ray DVDs).

This may have some bearing on the issue.
EricLNZ wrote on 4/19/2014, 5:37 AM
Bastinado did say he was burning BR discs not AVCHD DVD discs?
PeterDuke wrote on 4/19/2014, 5:42 AM
He apparently tried HD on DVD and then on BD.

My point was that Oppo used the phrase "no longer" implying that they had deliberately crippled their latest players.

The BD Association had a fight with HD-DVD and then they kept their prices too high for too long and now technology is moving away from optical discs. Its all about squeezing the maximum cash out of an almost passé product, and probably hastening the demise in the process.
TOG62 wrote on 4/19/2014, 12:44 PM
This page [Link=http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105-Features.aspx] contains the following statement:

* Compatibility with user-encoded contents or user-created discs is on a best effort basis with no guarantee due
EricLNZ wrote on 4/19/2014, 5:43 PM
Yes with modern TVs able to play movies from a USB stick it is far easier to copy a HD file to a stick than burn a BR disc. And with folk downloading movies instead of playing discs I agree we seem to be moving away from optical discs.
R0cky wrote on 4/21/2014, 12:47 PM
I burned onto both DVD and BDR media with the same results. I returned the Oppo player and got this:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Blu-ray-Disc/Elite-Blu-ray-Disc-Players/BDP-62FD

I needed a universal player for my DVD - Audio and SACDs. This pioneer unit does play my BluRays authored in DVDA.

rocky
videoITguy wrote on 4/21/2014, 1:24 PM
I have tested and played burned Blu-ray from DVDAPro5.0b recorded on Blu-ray media in the following brands of Blu-ray set-top players:
Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, LG, Panasonic, and Sherwood to name but a few.
Chienworks wrote on 4/21/2014, 8:05 PM
"I agree we seem to be moving away from optical discs."

Yep. I've delivered more projects on USB stick than on disc over the past 16 months. I would have thought people would miss the scene selection menu, but so far it hasn't been mentioned. I have a growing number of friends and neighbors who no longer own a disc player of any sort. The most common reason: it and the discs take up too much room.
PeterDuke wrote on 4/22/2014, 1:47 AM
I have about 150 DVDs of our travels, which take up a lot of space. I now make BDs, but put their ISO files on a USB disk and play them from my hardware player. Much more tidy.

While my hardware player will play BD ISO files with menus, the best thing I have found for the PC is DVDFab Player. Version 1 will not display the menus of BD ISO files authored with DVD Arch, while version 2 nearly works: the button highlight is displaced to the right. However, BDs authored with TMPGEnc Authoring Works do display properly in both versions. (Another plus for TAW is that BDs authored with it play properly in my Panasonic BD player, whereas BDs authored with DVD Arch won't skip chapters if you first access a submenu.)