New tutorial video for Vegas Pro 21

Roger Bansemer wrote on 5/25/2024, 6:01 AM

Here's a new youtube tutorial.

You won't believe how crazy this is. I've been using Vegas for 15 years and wanted to learn a little more about the few new features like Smart Mask but Vegas has put out this tutorial with a fast talking presenter speeding into areas like parent child, glow, 3d, on and on and on. It's impossible to follow.
Any thoughts?

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Dexcon wrote on 5/25/2024, 6:19 AM

Agreed ... the delivery is ridiculously fast and ignores the fundamentals of adult learning. Years ago when HitFilm did YT tutorials, some of them had an equally fast delivery which made following complex compositing procedures next to impossible - which drew some negative viewer comments in that regard.

Perhaps use the cogwheel on the YT tutorial and select playback at 50% or slower.

Or use OBS or a YT downloader to download the tutorial as an .mp4 file and play it back in Vegas Pro or a media player bit-by-bit

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EricLNZ wrote on 5/25/2024, 6:20 AM

Roger, I agree. Tutorial videos made with fast talking presenters annoy me. Not everyone has English as their native language and not everyone is familiar with the dialect of the presenter. The presenter in this case isn't too bad compared to others but it would help if he slowed down.

mark-y wrote on 5/25/2024, 7:37 AM

Sounds just like my favorite Lewis Carroll poem. A few will actually know . . .

Actually makes it sound coherent if I slow down the playback to 0.8x. But of course that would put it past the 30 minute mark, which is a line in the sand for content creators.

john-brown wrote on 5/25/2024, 7:47 AM

I thought that it was very good and that the speed was about right. It's not for novices and there is a lot in there to absorb. I presume that there are separate tutorials for the various subjects. This one was trying to cover how everything in the first part of the promo was made, and do it in a reasonable amount of time.

You can show the auto-generated transcript in YT and go through it with the video, easily repeating the parts that you want. It would be helpful if Vegas would correct the transcript.

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Roger Bansemer wrote on 5/25/2024, 7:50 AM

He really didn't explain the features at all on how to use or set up the "smart mask." This video was put out by the Vegas youtube channel too so you would think they would be more able to put something together that all could more easily grasp. I also saw this was first youtube tutorial they have put out for over a year.

FayFen wrote on 5/25/2024, 7:57 AM

I don't think it's a tutorial at all.😞

Who is that guy?

Dexcon wrote on 5/25/2024, 8:32 AM

I don't think it's a tutorial at all.😞 Who is that guy?

IMO, that YT video doesn't know what it wants to be - a promotional video or a tutorial (which the title claims it to be).

Harking back to my earlier comment that the presenter has not employed adult learning methodology, it would not seem that he is familiar with, or has not used "train-the-trainer" / "teach-the-teacher" skills assuming that he's even undertaken any of such sessions. The whole thing seems to be more of a spruik.

But of course that would put it past the 30 minute mark, which is a line in the sand for content creators.

@mark-y  ... I wasn't aware of a 30 minutes limit on YT uploads. For years, I've watched heaps of YT videos of train driver views from the driver's cabin of trips across the UK, France, Italy, Switzerland (being the best scenic wise) and many other countries that are hours long. I think that I saw on YT recently that 4 hours is the limit.

If tutorials used as a learning exercise should ideally be less than 30 minutes (a good idea IMO), then MAGIX could have broken the tutorial into several productions each concentrating on a separate feature and allowing the presenter time to explain and demonstrate the feature in an understandable presentation.

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Jack S wrote on 5/25/2024, 8:46 AM

@Roger Bansemer Try my slow, deliberate and detailed tutorials on my YouTube channel Veteran Video Editor.

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Gid wrote on 5/25/2024, 8:53 AM

But of course that would put it past the 30 minute mark, which is a line in the sand for content creators.

@mark-y  ... I wasn't aware of a 30 minutes limit on YT uploads. For years, I've watched heaps of YT videos of train driver views from the driver's cabin of trips across the UK, France, Italy, Switzerland (being the best scenic wise) and many other countries that are hours long. I think that I saw on YT recently that 4 hours is the limit.

@Dexcon He was just talking about the clickabilty factor, 10min vids do well, 15mins are ok, 20mins+ is either over or reaching a boundary, 30mins+ only those really interested or are reg subscribers will click on it.

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The maximum file size you can upload is 256 GB or 12 hours, whichever is less. We've changed the limits on uploads in the past, so you may see older videos that are longer than 12 hours.

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Dexcon wrote on 5/25/2024, 8:54 AM

@mark-y

Sounds just like my favorite Lewis Carroll poem. A few will actually know . .

Please tell ... I'm intrigued.

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mark-y wrote on 5/25/2024, 9:10 AM

Oh @Dexcon , I didn't say Youtube has a "limit," and so sorry to mislead. The content creator's psychological "line of demarcation" is well known and practiced by educators and aware lecturers, as well. After 25 minutes, the eyes lose focus, attention starts to meander, background noise levels rise, and people start to leave the room.

What I do know is that millennials come to us pre-programmed to sit through 25 minutes of presentation, and then the lunch bell rings and they start to salivate. Purely a Pavlovian response that is tracked down to the minute, thanks to Youtube stats, and which commercial content creators analyze religiously.

I pulled up the first commercial adult tutorial that came up on Youtube, and it follows the formula.

Reyfox wrote on 5/25/2024, 9:50 AM

I thought the presenter explained how the "tutorial" is going to go in the first 30 seconds. To me, this was more of what you can do, than how to do it "step by step", pointing someone in a direction that they will still have to explore. I loved it. And I too think that it is also a promotional video, "Here is what Vegas Pro has, and what Vegas can do!"

Of course, like with any software, working at this level requires a skillset and understanding of the software, which far exceeds my remaining functional braincell.

And to quote @FayFen, "who is that guy?", and what planet is he from?

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mark-y wrote on 5/25/2024, 10:09 AM

@mark-y

Sounds just like my favorite Lewis Carroll poem. A few will actually know . .

Please tell ... I'm intrigued.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42916/jabberwocky

mark-y wrote on 5/25/2024, 10:32 AM

working at this level requires a skillset and understanding of the software, 

And the ability to decode what is being heard into a reasonable approximation of spoken language.

Since 75 seems to now be in the minority here, I know many heard it perfectly. But that may not last . . .

John-Ivar wrote on 5/25/2024, 11:46 AM

Hi everyone, I'm the guy in the video! 🙂 I just wanted to chime in and say thank you for watching and for all your valid points of criticism and feedback. I'm taking every comment to heart!

Roger Bansemer wrote on 5/25/2024, 12:08 PM

Hi everyone, I'm the guy in the video! 🙂 I just wanted to chime in and say thank you for watching and for all your valid points of criticism and feedback. I'm taking every comment to heart!

Hi John. I wish I had your skills to juggle all that. I've produced almost 150 PBS television programs and I've used Vegas for all of them so I'm not a newbee to the program but I'm also 75 years old and for me it's sometimes hard to keep up. I hope all these comments including mine are not hurtful as I certainly know how much effort it takes to make any sort of video. Thanks for your video and maybe in the future I might look forward to explaining a more simplified tutorial so as an old guy I can better grasp it, especially the new features.

mark-y wrote on 5/25/2024, 12:33 PM

@John-Ivar Hi, I'm a retired theater producer, and there is a indirect relationship between the number of run-throughs and the show run time. The more the script is rehearsed, the shorter the run time because of familiarity with the content. Same is true for orchestras. Sometimes I just feel like I am trying to hold back a runaway train.

The thing that I tell the whole cast and crew before the final performance is that this is the 8th time through for them, but still the first time most of the audience has heard it, so ramp down the pace, as if this was your first show.

John-Ivar wrote on 5/25/2024, 1:28 PM

@Roger Bansemer I really appreciate you voicing your honest opinion, there's no better way for me too grow and improve. Especially coming from someone with so many years of experience in video production!

I think this 'behind-the-edit' video in particular is very ambitious, as I've used so many different VEGAS features for almost every second of the update 3 promotional video. If anyone clicks on this video in hopes of learning about just the new features, I imagine they'll quickly be overwhelmed with all the different things I'm showing. That's on me.

Your comments are not hurtful. In the end, we're all fans of VEGAS, and want to learn and see the brand and software be handled with care. Thank you everyone for your feedback. Again, I take it all to heart and I really appreciate your engagement.

lan-mLMC wrote on 5/25/2024, 8:25 PM

@John-Ivar Hi, I really like your video style. Here's a little suggestion about this scene:

In this scene, it seems that you just use the 2D layer. My suggestion is to introduce some 3D parallax, which can show the 3D feature of Vegas. Here are some similar demonstrations:

John-Ivar wrote on 5/26/2024, 3:00 AM

Yes, I'm glad you brought that up @lan-mLMC. I wanted to include a section on this in the explainer video, but since I've not used it to any special degree here, I chose to leave it out (the video was also already getting a bit too meaty).

In the current final shot for the AI Smart Mask 2.0 segment, every element is set to the same depth values, making it all look flat when you rotate the 'master camera'. Initially I had the elements and objects spaced out unevenly on the Z-plane for a feeling of depth, but as the scene/shot grew bigger, it became a bit unwieldy to keep track of, and didn't really add that much to the overall image, so I chose to leave it out.

I did make more use of this in the What's New video for VP21

For example, in the shot where it says 'The professional toolkit for unlimited creation', all the VEGAS UI windows are laid out with individual depth values, making it a breeze to rotate the camera around and have everything look perspective correct and smooth. I also used the Gaussian blur for any object that ended up very close/large in the frame, making it feel more like there's an actual camera in this physical space. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with 3D track compositing!

lan-mLMC wrote on 5/26/2024, 3:17 AM

I did make more use of this in the .

@John-Ivar So you made that video, too. It was great.

For example, in the shot where it says 'The professional toolkit for unlimited creation', all the VEGAS UI windows are laid out with individual depth values,

I have a question, when you create this scene, what is the composition mode of your parent track, is it the default Source Alpha or the 3D Source Alpha?

I ask this question because I personally feel that the 3D perspective between the layers of that scene is not very obvious, so that when I first saw it, I didn't realize that it used a 3D space. Anyway, it was a great presentation video overall!

Gid wrote on 5/26/2024, 3:40 AM

@lan-mLMC Hi, don't want to go off topic but in that vid with the two people sat on the bench he adds 'Colour Correction' (Looks) to a new top track & it affects all, but that isn't an Adjustment track, it says Video Track fx; Track 1 not adjustment track in the pop-up window ?🤔

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John-Ivar wrote on 5/26/2024, 4:02 AM

@lan-mLMC Thank you! And yes, the parallax is definitely subtle, and I think the biggest 'value' is on the back-end. Animating stuff like that manually would take a lot of time and a lot of fine-tuning. But when you've set everything up with 3D tracks, you can easily change how it looks, and manipulate the positions of individual objects without having to do a all the keyframing again etc. I'd actually love to go more in-depth on this topic, as I find it very useful. It's an often overlooked feature of VEGAS.

To your question, I set the parent track to 3D Alpha. This makes it so that you can manipulate the child tracks within the same 3D space, giving you many options for secondary and tertiary motion etc. Think of it like different cameras doing different things to every layer/track below it. I'm finding it a bit hard to explain, sorry if I'm not making sense.