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Spot|DSE wrote on 2/28/2004, 8:53 AM
There are two ways to do this, OK, more than two....but the easiest way is to take your already edited but not rendered project, and change the project settings to PAL.
Then use pan/crop on the first event/clip, and choose "match aspect ratio"
Now, Right click the modified event, then choose COPY.
Now, select all events on the timeline and then right click the first one, choosing PASTE ATTRIBUTES.
That's it.
voytek wrote on 2/28/2004, 9:04 AM
It means that aspect ratio is an only difference between NTSC and PAL ?
roger_74 wrote on 2/28/2004, 9:21 AM
I think "Maintain aspect ratio" is the default, so it probably doesn't need changing. But if you do, be careful with Paste Attributes since it copies all attributes (FX and keyframes and so on).
Spot|DSE wrote on 2/28/2004, 9:45 AM
True indeed, unless he had pan/crop previously assigned, he'd still need to correct. And I'd failed to mention this will copy all attributes. thanks for pointing that out.
Voytek, frame rate is different, but Vegas already knows all of that...
voytek wrote on 2/28/2004, 11:44 AM
Same project 1hr 50min
rendering time;
to PAL DVD - 18 Hrs
to NTSC DVD - 3Hrs
Is this normal
ibliss wrote on 2/28/2004, 11:52 AM
Sounds like frame rate resampling due to 29 > 25 fps - this will make a huge impact on rendering times.

This can be turned off on a clip-by-clip basis (or select them all at once and turn off): right-click on vid-event>switches>disable resample.
farss wrote on 2/28/2004, 12:35 PM
I regularly go the other way, just by rendering to NTSC mpg. Haven't had to change AR, maybe I should carefully check the final DVD to see if it's OK, actually that may explain something, I think the circles were coming out oval, oops. Thanks SPOT!

As to render time, yes, they'll be HUGE. Still time costs little, feeding your source through a standards converter that'll do as good a job as Vegas will COST.
Veggie_Dave wrote on 2/28/2004, 3:52 PM
Am I the only person then to think the quality of Vegas' conversion from PAL to NTSC is absolutely and utterly appaling?
Spot|DSE wrote on 2/28/2004, 4:11 PM
You must be.....Vegas does a better job than my Laird converter does, and it's a whole lot more money.
When I was on the VASST tour in Australia, the Canopus folks were shocked to see what Vegas could do with NTSC for PAL. All my training media was NTSC, but I needed to display it on PAL monitors. If it's good enough for very high end conversion companies to use in Hollywood, I'd guess it's good enough for most.
What specifically do you find troublesome?
farss wrote on 2/28/2004, 4:34 PM
I can only second what SPOT is saying, I've never had to do a NTSC to PAL conversion, certainly that's never going to produce pristine PAL becuase you're starting with a lower res source but going PAL to NTSC looks about as good as NTSC gets from what I can see.

I'd imagine the very best broadcast gear that includes motion estimation should get better results but that kit is very expensive and unless your material has a lot of fast motion I doubt you'll see musch improvement. Also of course it's probably not starting of with DV material as well.

I have seen some suggestions around this forum for some very complicated ways to do the conversion, I've never tried them but as they involve so much fiddling with things maybe that's where you're getting a quality loss. I just do a 'Render As' and all is sweet.
Veggie_Dave wrote on 2/29/2004, 8:45 AM
The problem we've had has been both ghosting from the interpolation (the exact same problem we had with the slow motion, too) and occassional stuttering during the quicker edits

While what we do is edted very quickly, with the on-screen action being also very fast, I really didn't expect the end results to be as bad as they were - certainly no where near good enough for us to release. In the end I approached a friend who works for Canopus UK and asked him to convert the film from PAL to NTSC for us. We get the results back tomorrow so I can't comment on whether their software conversion is any better

Oh, there is a trailer on the 'net for the PAL version of this film. I assume posting its URL so that you can see the sort of material I'm working with would be okay:
http://www.asqg42.dsl.pipex.com/parental.zip