OK, got my BD writer - now Sony, PLEASE support it

Terje wrote on 3/6/2008, 8:39 AM
Several year back I was an Ulead user. I had their Media Studio Pro editing software, the DVD Workshop (best in class at the time) etc. I even had 3D studio. Towards the end of Ulead as a player in that space, I noticed them falling behind. Features never came. Stuff never happened. Technologies weren't supported. Finally of course, Ulead pulled out of that market entirely, not that they have told anyone, they are still selling the software on their website (which I think is bordering on fraud).

In a way I am getting the same vibe from SCS right now, and it worries me.

DVD Architect has not been seriously updated in a long time, 4.5 was a marginal upgrade at best, which means nothing serious has happened to it since 2006, and even that was relatively minor.

Vegas has had a bad run since about 7.0d, and it doesn't seem to get fixed properly, quite the opposite, where Vegas was once the pinnacle of stability and efficiency, it now struggles just to stay on its feet for an extended period of time, particularly when you are working with HDV etc.

I have been in the technology business for a long time, and I know what often happens when companies are acquired. The best developers and the best sales people leave. The product teams fall into disarray and chaos, and nothing much happens. At least, not a lot of the good that happened prior to the acquisition.

So, Sony, honestly, I'd like to see things improve a little. Just a little.

For starters, you really need to release a BD burning version of DVD Architect. Seriously. Everybody else has had offerings out for quite a while, and this is starting to look pathetic. I mean, I've read the spec, this isn't actually rocket science. We are talking about encoding into AVC (done), supporting UDF 2.x (easy, you can license any of the many drivers out there) and writing an XML file to disk besides the video. Not magic. Not something that takes years to develop. This is Sony for P's sake, the main backer of the bloody format!

So, honestly SCS, pull that thumb out of that butt and get moving. This just isn't the way it should be. You have some great software here, and right now, as a customer with experience from software companies disintegrating, I am worried. Not enough to go elsewhere, but enough to start thinking about it.


bruceo wrote on 3/6/2008, 2:17 PM
I agree.

I am installing CS3 production suite as I type just so I can start delivering BR disc. As I have 60+ DVDa projects waiting for BR output. I much prefer designing my discs in Architect over the much more complex Encore, but just the lack of any buzz about an upcoming DVDa update is very dissapointing and is forcing me into a workflow change. Grrr
John_Cline wrote on 3/6/2008, 10:19 PM
I'm guessing that there may be some Blu-Ray DVD Architect news announced at NAB next month.
UlfLaursen wrote on 3/6/2008, 10:40 PM
hope you are right John - would be cool.

John_Cline wrote on 3/6/2008, 11:04 PM
It's just a guess and, yes, it would be cool.
4eyes wrote on 3/7/2008, 8:51 PM
it now struggles just to stay on its feet for an extended period of time, particularly when you are working with HDV etc.Yes, editing mpeg2 compressed video. I wonder if it's the program or just the fact that editing mpeg2 video can be hit or miss, depending on how it was encoded.
Terje wrote on 3/8/2008, 8:13 AM
I wonder if it's the program or just the fact that editing mpeg2 video can be hit or miss

It's Vegas. If it was the fact that editing MPEG-2 was hit an miss, we would have had quality issues, not stability issues.
blink3times wrote on 3/8/2008, 8:43 AM

When you're ready, give us a complete review of your experience.... what program you're using for burns... the good... the bad.... what you use for play back... etc.

I tried BD burning a while back and t was a total disaster and I'm wondering how much it has changed and whether it's time to try again.

John_Cline wrote on 3/17/2008, 12:25 PM
Well, until Sony releases a Blu-Ray authoring package (which could be next month at NAB), perhaps this new software release might be of some interest:

Cyberlink Power Producer v5 Ultra

I haven't tried it, I just ran across it while visiting the Cyberlink web site, but for $80, it will author Blu-Ray projects, complete with menus, and burn to Blu-Ray or DVD discs.
Laurence wrote on 3/17/2008, 1:07 PM
Cool. It looks like the Cyberlink program also does true AVCHD discs on regular DVD+-Rs as well, just like the Ulead program.
Terje wrote on 3/17/2008, 2:10 PM
Been playing around with it with Premiere Elements and Ulead MF with the HD pack. Works very well for me, no problems. Have tried my burns on my PS3 and on what was available at my local Circ City. Can't remember which players, but had no problems.

So far only burned to RE (Read-Write) disks since there is no point in burning BD-R for distribution when nobody owns BD players :-)
Laurence wrote on 3/17/2008, 3:44 PM
I own a Blu-ray player! Aren't I somebody?

Seriously, I expect to see a lot more people buying into Blu-ray now that the "format war" is over.

I wouldn't spend $20 a disc though for real BD-R media: not when an AVCHD disc burned onto DVD+-R gives you 90% of the quality for less than 10% of the price and has such wide Blu-ray player compatibility.
JJKizak wrote on 3/17/2008, 5:46 PM
Nobody has Bluray inkjet print to hub discs anyway. Tapeand media is sold out so I will just have to wait. You would have thought they would skip making plain old non printable discs and jumped to the inkjet printables.
Lou_Sims wrote on 3/18/2008, 7:11 PM
TDK is now selling spindles of inkjet printable BD-Rs. This according to my account rep at The Tape Company. They used to sell them in 10, now I think you have to buy 20 or 25.

As I write this, my VAIO is back at the office valiantly laboring to burn my first BD-R project from the timeline in Vegas ... a slide show running 1 hour 20 minutes. I've been trying to burn this for a couple days now and Vegas seems to hang-up after rendering the video and audio when it gets to the step of "compiling" the image (that may not be the right term) but it will sit there and say 0% for hours until I get impatient and click cancel. The render itself seems to take a little less than 24 hours. This time I'm going to give it a couple of days to see what happens. I have a 2GHz processor, 2GB RAM and an LG H20LW writer. There's plenty of drive space (over 100GB) available both on the pre-render hard drive and the data hard drive. Is it normal to take this long? I used the presets Vegas gave me to burn a 1080-60i file.

It successfully burned a "mini" 10-minute version of this slide show to a BD-RE disc with no problems. The pre-render screen told me it should use only 23 GB of disc space so that shouldn't be an issue.
fordie wrote on 3/19/2008, 2:38 AM
power producer isnt all that good IMHO.
doesnt support m2v files.
claims to support dolby 5.1 however wont accept ac3 files...when i ask support why they just send me the list of files supported.not very helpfull.manual is pathetic
appears ive wasted my money...refund requested ..no chance.
DVDit hd wont support Vista...unbelievable!
Dvdlab pro..my favourite..silence on blue ray
so better just wait.
I think it will be along time before i will be burning blue ray discs.