Old projects with MP4 videos not happy...

Viddy wrote on 2/1/2014, 11:01 AM
Hi All

I use Sony Vegas Movie Studio 12 (64-bit WIndows 7) and generally am a happy bunny with the setup. However, there's a problem that is now proving to be an obstacle. On a previous computer running Windows XP and Sony Vegas Movie Studio 10 & 11 I had no problem editing MP4 videos which were created by my Sony digital camera. They would import just fine.

I no longer have that computer and whereas my new computer running VMS12 is great when I want to edit more recent MP4 files from a newer Sony camera, I cannot open any of the older MP4 videos. VMS12 just tells me it cannot open the MP4. If I open up an older project that contained a mixture of the old and new MP4 raw video clips it's only the later variety that are actually there - the older ones are 'offline' and impossible to re-import.

I suspect that this could be related to Quicktime? As far as I know I do not have it installed on my Windows 7 PC. I have posted below the two types of MP4 files I need to be able to edit:

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1) MediaInfo tells me this about THE OLDER MP4s THAT I CANNOT OPEN:
Video:
8754Kbps, 1280*720 (16:9). at 29.970 fps, MPEG-4 Visual (Advanced Coding Efficiency@L4) (BVOP)
Audio:
128 Kbps, 48.0 KHz, 2 channels, AAC (Version 4) (LC) (SBR)

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2) MediaInfo tells me this about THE GOOD MP4s WHICH I CAN OPEN OKAY:
Video:
6115Kbps, 1280*720 (16:9). at 25.000 fps, AVC (Main@L4.0) (CABAC / 2 Ref Frames)
Audio:
128 Kbps, 48.0 KHz, 2 channels, AAC (Version 4) (LC) (SBR)

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I would appreciate any help with understanding why my older videos will not import into VMS12. If it is that I need to install Quicktime my concern is that that could in any way screw-up my Sony Vegas Movie Studio setup on my Windows 7 machine. Also, I seem to remember a while ago when I was using my old XP computer, that you had to install a particular version of Quicktime for Sony Vegas to be happy - I seem to remember audio problems if you used the latest Quicktime version?

If anyone has any suggestions that would be great, thanks!

Viddy

Comments

musicvid10 wrote on 2/1/2014, 7:59 PM
MPEG-4 Visual sounds like it may be XVID. But we won't know until you provide complete MediaInfo details for each, along with your Quicktime version.
Viddy wrote on 2/2/2014, 4:44 AM
Hi Musicvid

Thanks for the reply. I hope that the MediaInfo text I have pasted below gives the information required.

General
Complete name: D:\Sony-M4H03282.mp4
Format: MPEG-4
Format profile: Sony PSP
Codec ID: MSNV
File size: 12.6 MiB
Duration: 12s 12ms
Overall bit rate: 8 792 Kbps
Encoded date: UTC 2012-07-15 08:57:26
Tagged date: UTC 2012-07-15 08:57:38

Video
ID: 1
Format: MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile: Advanced Coding Efficiency@L4
Format settings, BVOP: Yes
Format settings, QPel: No
Format settings, GMC: No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix: Default (H.263)
Codec ID: 20
Duration: 12s 12ms
Bit rate mode: Variable
Bit rate: 8 661 Kbps
Nominal bit rate: 9 000 Kbps
Maximum bit rate: 14.0 Mbps
Width: 1 280 pixels
Height: 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio: 16:9
Frame rate mode: Constant
Frame rate: 29.970 fps
Resolution: 8 bits
Scan type: Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame): 0.314
Stream size: 12.4 MiB (99%)
Encoded date: UTC 2012-07-15 08:57:26
Tagged date: UTC 2012-07-15 08:57:38

Audio
ID: 2
Format: AAC
Format/Info: Advanced Audio Codec
Format version: Version 4
Format profile: LC
Format settings, SBR: Yes
Format settings, PS: No
Codec ID: 40
Duration: 11s 989ms
Bit rate mode: Constant
Bit rate: 128 Kbps
Channel(s): 2 channels
Channel positions: Front: L R
Sampling rate: 48.0 KHz
Stream size: 188 KiB (1%)
Encoded date: UTC 2012-07-15 08:57:26
Tagged date: UTC 2012-07-15 08:57:38

I don't seem to have Quicktime installed on my WIndows 7 64-bit computer.

Regards
Viddy
musicvid10 wrote on 2/2/2014, 8:11 AM
Install Quicktime, but create a restore point first..
Viddy wrote on 2/3/2014, 3:18 AM
Hi MusicVid

Huge thanks for looking at my issue with older MP4 video clips. As I have got quite a lot of SVMS older projects that use these Quicktime-dependent clips and also have tons of old MP4 footage that has never been edited yet, then I feel that I must try installing Quicktime as you suggested. However, my concerns are whether doing this could cause any other issues with my 64-bit SVMS12 - for my more recent MP4 footage I am very happy with the way that SVMS12 works and performs.

Therefore, I wonder if I could trouble you for your thoughts on the following before I take the decision as to install Quicktime or not:

1) You mention that I should create a restore point. Is this because you have knowledge that complications are likely if Quicktime is installed on a Windows 7 64-bit system like mine?

2) I remember back in the days of SVMS9 & SVMS11 that you HAD to use a particular version of Quicktime (not necessarily the latest one). Is that still the case?

3) Does the fact that I have a 64-bit Windows 7 PC create further issues - for instance, I am not aware that Quicktime is available in 64-bit version so I presume if I install QT then it will only be 32-bit.

4) Another option - although frankly one that I would rather not have to take, is to convert any of my older MP4 Quicktime clips to another format. I realise this isn't going to help me when I open old projects, but I could substitute the clips I guess. Also, I would want to retain as much quality in the converted clips as I could - without going to the extreme of making them into uncompressed AVIs or similar.

5) I do still have my older versions of Sony Vegas Movie Studio - would installing then on my system work and solve any of these issues with Quicktime MP4s? Bit wary about having two versions of SVMS on my PC but i have heard of others who have done that.

Sorry to dump another load of questions into the pot - but I am trying to weigh up the risks and whether I should just move on an accept a lot of my older footage, projects and clips are now kinda obsolete.

Thanks
Viddy
musicvid10 wrote on 2/3/2014, 5:30 AM
Quicktime is a system requirement of Vegas.
It's wise to do a restore point, as some QT releases are ...err, unpredictable.
If you choose to try one of the "alternatives," you may also get more than you wished for.
The consequences of not installing QT are that certain image and video formats will not open.
Most people are able to find a QT version that works with their installation.
Unfortunate that this sometimes involves some experimentation; however it is not something Sony has direct control over, nor do other Windows NLE makers.
Viddy wrote on 2/8/2014, 2:59 AM
Hi Musicvid10

Just wanted to give an update about this issue I was having. I took your advice and installed Quicktime. I didn't install the very latest one. I installed version 7.6 instead of the latest 7.7, as I am sure I read somewhere that there had been issues with the latest Quicktime. Unfortunately I couldn't find where I had read that.

Anyway, it seems to have worked fine and I can now open old projects that have early MP4 clips in them, and I can also create new projects with my older MP4 files if I wish to.

Many thanks for taking the time to help me out.

Regards
Viddy