OMG! problem solved?

bruceo wrote on 7/1/2007, 6:14 PM
After endless hours of capturing and troubleshooting nagging issues with HDV in Vegas... I tried HDV split and was able to capture all tapes without any splits and all the audio peaks built like a champ. I haven't started major cutting on this project yet, but preliminarily I have not noticed black frames either... We'll see.

One problem does exist though and it was a problem that Sony had actually emailed me about when V7 was first released. Of all the 8 tapes captured 1 of them will 0nly playback at about 9-14fps where the other 7 play instantly at 29.9.

When you go to vegas explorer and check the properties, all of the full speed clips show mpeg2 transport stream, but the bogged down clip says it is mainconcept mpeg2. Vegas should see it as mpeg2 transport stream to play at full speed.

I don't know how to change the way vegas interprets this file. Does anyone here know?

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fldave wrote on 7/1/2007, 7:38 PM
johnmeyer had a thread on this recently. Search his ID for info on that.

I've never had the issues you have been describing. Did you have this issue on more than one machine, or on multiple reinstalls on the same machine?

Sounds like a corrupt file somewhere, that a significant part of this community have in common. I'm in the "not affected" group. It would be interesting to find out what the source of the issue is?
blink3times wrote on 7/1/2007, 8:09 PM
I never leave home with out my HDVsplit. :)

It's an outstanding little capture program. One note though... I had major troubles with HDVsplit and 7e.... crashing like crazy scrubbing over the odd scene. Don't know if it was my machine or 7e.... but I rolled back to 7d, and it's rock solid again.

Oh... and the scene splitting in HDVsplit is dead on EVERY time.
bruceo wrote on 7/2/2007, 12:49 AM
John emailed me and said that HDV split would associate mainconcept with every file. On the first capture I posted on it was on a V7e on a Pentium D machine and only 1 was identified as mainconcept. I just got done cutting it extensively for 6 hours and I didn't get any of the usual buggines, no undo crashes, no 2 frame black frames and no random crashes/lockups when scrubbing.

While I was cutting I captured 6 more tapes on the normal capture machine a P4 3.2 and HDV split captures all of the files without forcibly splitting any of them where this same capture set vegas would split them into at least 10-15 files. BUT they all were identified as mainconcept and therefore might go 9-14 FPS. FING SONY VEGAS!!!!!!!!! Tomorrow I will try capturing on the coreduo machine and see what it is identified as....
PeterWright wrote on 7/2/2007, 1:07 AM
Bruce,

Vegas should only split capture up at all if you have Scene Detection enabled on capture preferences - I often capture tapes as a single clip.

The only other reason I can think of for splitting would be if you capture to a FAT32 formatted drive with a 4 Gb file limit.
blink3times wrote on 7/2/2007, 3:03 AM
"Vegas should only split capture up at all if you have Scene Detection enabled on capture preferences "

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Yeah.... SHOULD.

But the same thing happens to me. Even with scene detect off sometimes your video gets split once or twice... and not even necessarily at a scene split point.
Chienworks wrote on 7/2/2007, 3:25 AM
"The only other reason I can think of for splitting would be if you capture to a FAT32 formatted drive with a 4 Gb file limit."

How about if you want your scenes split into separate clips? That sounds like a valid reason for splitting too.

For that matter, VidCap is smart enough to split at the 4GB point if it's capturing to a FAT32 drive. It does this all by itself whether scene detection is enabled or not.
blink3times wrote on 7/2/2007, 4:10 AM
"How about if you want your scenes split into separate clips? That sounds like a valid reason for splitting too."
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He's talking about when scene split is off on HD capture. It's happened to me a few times too, the video is split for no apparent reason (scene split off). Even if you use scene split, the scenes seem to be 1 or 2 frames out with each split.

Don't get me wrong... I enjoy my Vegas, but HDVsplit is a MUCH better capture program then the one that comes with Vegas. The Vegas capture system definitely needs a patch or 3. The best thing about HDVsplit though.... is that it happens to be free!
PeterWright wrote on 7/2/2007, 4:24 AM
> "How about if you want your scenes split into separate clips? That sounds like a valid reason for splitting too."

Yes of course, Kelly - that's why one would choose to have Scene Detection enabled, as I said.

But I didn't realise that some people are getting splits when this is disabled - I haven't had this happen - I've often captured whole tapes as a single file.

I do always make sure there are no breaks in time code from the camera - not sure if this might be a contributing factor.
Laurence wrote on 7/2/2007, 6:24 AM
By the way, HDV Split uses your graphics card GPU to preview the video while you're capturing it. Because of this, peviewing video while you capture with HDV Split is easy on the CPU, induces no errors and is quite a convenience.
Laurence wrote on 7/2/2007, 6:48 AM
I still have "two black frame" incidents with HDV Split though. I also still have problems with occasional m2t clips captured with HDV Split crashing Vegas.
bruceo wrote on 7/2/2007, 7:19 AM
are your clips identified as mpeg2 transport or mainconcept when capturing through HDVsplit? Open the vegas explorer window and then right click on the file, hit properties, and it will tell you.
bruceo wrote on 7/2/2007, 7:23 AM
"The only other reason I can think of for splitting would be if you capture to a FAT32 formatted drive with a 4 Gb file limit. "

Not sure, but sometimes it seems like it will force split on an HDV drop or when the camera power was turned off instead of standby. Either way it is crap. It should capture full tapes like HDVsplit does. I am also going to ry cineform's m2t capture today. Hopefully it will identify as transport stream.
blink3times wrote on 7/2/2007, 8:45 AM
"I also still have problems with occasional m2t clips captured with HDV Split crashing Vegas."
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Laurence:

What version are you running?

This was happening to me with 7e but as soon as I rolled back to 7d it stopped. It kind of leaves me with the idea that 7e is at fault and not HDVsplit.
Laurence wrote on 7/2/2007, 1:10 PM
I'm on 7e. I guess I should backtrack a revision. Thanks.
bruceo wrote on 7/2/2007, 7:46 PM
I tired captuiing the m2t with cineform on this machine and it is still identified as mainconcept. DAMN!!! SONY WTF???? What do I do?
Laurence wrote on 7/2/2007, 8:25 PM
It might just be some sort of ID error. You can see the codec from WMP properties as well.