on building a new overclocked computer

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ritsmer wrote on 8/14/2010, 2:38 AM
Ah, yeah - did not think of that. Gonna delete my post...
LReavis wrote on 8/14/2010, 9:55 AM
"Next time try to go into Windows Task Manager / Processes / right click on vegasxx.exe / and set priority to below normal."

Actually, that's a very good suggestion. I used to do that. However, so often I'd want to render out a selection to see what it really was going to look like (maybe a chromakey with some other images that maybe had feathered masks, etc. - the kind of thing that I routinely do) and then the rendering - two renders, now! - was s-o-o-o slow, that changing priorities really didn't solve much of my problem. . . I'd just have to wait twice as long to see if I liked the way that selection played after render before making decision to modify it or leave it as is.

Generally, I felt my overall efficiency was better if I just read a book or found other tasks to do until the render was finished; then return to work on the computer.
kkolbo wrote on 8/15/2010, 1:31 PM
I am not going to use my Core i7 980X until the replacement motherboard gets here. In the mean time I am using a Core i7 930.

Actually, I am very pleased with the 930 and I would suggest it to anyone who doesn't want to be ridiculous and spend the money for a 980X. Overclocked and also overclocking the memory, editing HD .h264 native is very smooth. I can add VFX's layers and transitions and still get full frame rate preview at GOOD FULL. The renders take longer, but it is still very good performance. For most edit systems, I think this is the way to go. Looks like VideoGuys thinks the same. It seems to be a good workhorse at the right price.

TECH TALK FOLLOWS


One thing I want to emphasize for folks who read this and want to build their own edit system (Video Guys preaches the same thing) is, you have to do your research (or follows someone's parts list) to make sure that all parts play nice together. You can not just randomly pick parts on sale and throw them together and expect them to make a rock stable system. Most manufacturers of high end parts are working together right now to test and qualify parts that play well together. Use the qualified vendors lists to pick the right parts!

It is not hard to build you own system. Just remember that you are now the tech support department for the system builder :-)

If you want parts numbers of my system for a DIY project I will be happy to supply it. I spent a lot of hours talking with manufacturers to get it right! I am using one parts choice that is not on the list as compatible, but I spoke directly with the manufacturers first and they confirmed that it is fully compatible, it just hadn't found its way the list for some reason.

General items
The CPU is a Core i7 930 2.80GHz chip.
The memory is Corsair Dominator 1600MHz. That is a mid point price product.
The Motherboard is an ASUS P6X58D Premium.

OVERCLOCKING
The CPU cooler is a Corsair H50 which just bolts in and runs. No work required. You do need to heat up the system and let is cool off a few time to get the thermal paste to seat before pushing the numbers. About a week I find.

Each chip will behave slightly differently. I appear to have gotten a stubborn one. It is more limited than some others, but that makes it the best for folks to emulate.

I have pushed and pushed, but 3.67GHz (3.85GHz turbo) is all I can get out of her before the heat goes stupid. I have plenty of voltage headroom since I am only feeding her 1.25V (1.23v actual). The problem is all chips have a point where the power to heat curve gets really steep and you are just getting stupid. The amount of voltage required to get stable at the next speed step, sent the heat into the stupid range. I opted to stop here.

Here are the settings.
First, the CPU readings


Next the memory readings. Notice the 1400MHz speed.


Now the settings in the BIOS,




Using the Asus motherboard, getting stellar performance for video editing out of a 930 is really easy. It is stable as a rock as well. (OK, my 980x will outrun it, but you do not have to go that extreme or expensive to have great editing performance.)

Smiles,
KK


kkolbo wrote on 8/26/2010, 7:56 AM
Just an update.

I finally received a replacement motherboard and dropped the 980X back in. I also upgraded to the Corsair H70 CPU cooler. I am back at 12Gb of RAM but this time clocked at 1600MHz. The 980X runs happily at 4.0GHz with temps in the mid 60'sC using the H70.

I pushed her to 4.27GHz but the voltage and heat increase was heavy. It was five times the increase in voltage from 3.3 to 4.0 to get to 4.27. Even so the H70 holds the temps nicely at 70-72C under high stress 100% load. (much more than Vegas can put on it.)

I am going to tweek a little see if I can get the voltage down a little for 4.27. If not I will run along happily at 4.0. It slices through HD .h264 without breathing hard at all. No need for GPU assist :-)

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1363222[/link]

KK
jdinkins wrote on 8/26/2010, 2:14 PM
Larry you are in the same boat I'm in (or you were in the same boat). I've had this Q6600 for about 3 years now. It used to get the job done editing regular SD footage, but I've moved on to the AVCHD world and it is killing me to edit these days. The machine just cannot handle it. I have preview settings on draft quarter and it still doesn't like to play at full frame rates. So I'll be curious how the new system works out for you. I'm waiting for labor day specials to kick in...but don't know if I can wait til then I have a lot of AVCHD footage to edit and it needs to be done yesterday. So anyways, good luck on getting yours stood up and I hope editing on the new machine is awesome.
Steve Mann wrote on 8/26/2010, 3:52 PM
On overclocking....

I would sure like to see someone who is planning to overclock a system to run a before and after rendertest. Is it *really* worth the effort?

Steve Mann


kkolbo wrote on 8/27/2010, 7:45 AM
I am not sure why you would want someone planning an OC to get the specs, but here are the specs from my overclock.

I use a real world project rather than a conceived render test to do my benchmarks. It is using HD .h264 source with graphics, CC, parent child track motion, and VFX's. It is an actual project. That means that within the projects there are times when the horsepower means improvement and time in it where horsepower means nothing.

My overclocked render cuts about 20% off the render time. That is 1/2 hour shorter on what would be a 3 hour render. That is about 12 - 13 minutes shorter on a 1 hour render.

If the render were using all of the power in the processor (I have six cores, 12 threads) at 100%, the overclock is 32% faster than stock. Since real renders do not do that, I use an actual project as my benchmark and that is why you only see a 20% drop in render time instead of a 30% drop.

The one thing I will mention is that the memory overclock made the biggest difference in the preview playback of the .h264 material. The faster memory speed smoothed it right out.

KK

Edited for clarity
LReavis wrote on 8/27/2010, 9:01 AM
to Steve Mann:
4:32 (272 seconds) not overclocked - i7-940@2.93 gHz
2:49 (169 seconds) OC to 3.92 gHz (slightly slower than my earlier post, due to energy-saving software)

in other words, about 1.6x faster; or, stated the other way, stock speed is about 60% as fast

Also, as my thermal paste matures, temps are lower. Stability is 100% so far for all tasks.

to jdinkins:
I always immediately render all .MP4-type files to Cineform or PicVideo, so can't really say how the OC helps with editing those files.
Steve Mann wrote on 8/27/2010, 9:50 AM
Well, a 50 to 60% improvement in render times does make OC worth pursuing.
On my next workstation - not the one currently making money.

Thanks,
Steve Mann