ahhhhh...I see the problems now, and you're right Aaron, these are
biggies. I never noticed it because I've always done this type of
thing using a stereo file and of course the level was going to be
different anyways, because I had done some kind of processing to the
waveform. Basically this is really F**cked up. Makes me wonder if
anyone even tries these functions out before releasing the software?
The Mono to Stereo, there's no excuse for that.

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm having a hard time understanding everyone's hangup,
>>>>with the "open Copy In Sound Forge" not working? I've been
>>>>having no problem with it. I imagine you would have a
>>>>problem with it, if you're trying to open a copy and you're
>>>>in 24bit mode? That's because Sound Forge doesn't yet
>>>>support 24bit mode.....but it's coming!! That's not a
>>>>Vegas, hangup, that's a Sound Forge hangup. I work in
>>>>16bit and I love this feature. I hated when I use to go
>>>>into Sound Forge and reverse a section and then have to
>>>>save it and prey everyting was ok in Vegas, because now my
>>>>undos were gone in Sound Forge after saving. Is there
>>>>something I'm missing?
>>
>>Yes
>>
>>Two things...these may or may not be apparent, or even a problem
>>depending on how you work, but are a HUGE problem for my working
style
>>
>>1 here is an example of the big problems
>>select a mono file in vegas
>>right click it and choose open copy in sound forge
>>OOOPS!!! now its a stereo file, worse yet:
>>
>>
>>2 this one happens to both mono and stereo files:
>>open copy in sound forge on a stereo file
>>open the original in sound forge also
>>compare the levels
>>they are different
>>
>>this is in direct violation of pro audio rule # 1 do not molest
audio
>>for no reason

. I never noticed it because I've always done this type of
>>thing using a stereo file and of course the level was going to be
>>different anyways, because I had done some kind of processing to
the
>>waveform. Basically this is really F**cked up. Makes me wonder if
>>anyone even tries these functions out before releasing the
software?
>>The Mono to Stereo, there's no excuse for that.
>>


I wonder the same thing, a lot :)

I am interested in learning about working styles from other vegas
users. I go to tape first, then later transfer to vegas for mixing
and editing...that pretty much precludes stereo input to vegas for
most tracks, however, Ive been changing my track order on the
machines so that I can input things like overheads and accoustic
guitars in stereo....makes things easier...

Do you record straight to vegas?
What hardware do you use to do that?
What sampling rates?
How do you deal with latency ?

sorry to be a pest, but Ive always got a hungry mind :)

Yes, I record straight to Vegas in most cases. I had to change my
style of working once I started recording using hard disk. Before
when recording to tape I always monitored the outputs of the tape
machines. Now when I'm recording going to Vegas I'm monitoring the
input going to Vegas along with the tracks that are already recorded
and just playing back. I have no latency problems doing it this
way. I have no need to do vocal punch Ins anymore thanks to hard
disk. I always have 2 tracks for doing vocal takes. One is for the
keeper takes and the other is to record on...as the vocalist gets
good takes they get cut onto the keeper track and you trim out the
part where they made a mistake and that acts like a punch in point,
even though there's no real punch in done, you're always recording on
the record track.

I have 2 Gina Cards to do this, I mute the monitor inputs on both
cards, like I said I'm monitoring the inputs on my mixing board. The
2 Gina's give me 8 inputs to record into Vegas. I also have a DA-88
if I need to sync Vegas up to Smpte for additional Track recording,
but that has not happened thus far. Most of the Time when I'm
recording music, I'm dealing with Midi Sequenced tracks and I have
another PC which chases the sequence to Vegas's generated smpte
timecode and I layoff 4 tracks at a time(using the 4 gina Analog Ins)
and then I do vocals, once the music is complete. During Mixing the
2 Gina's give me 16 seperate Analog outs, which I run into my Yamaha
03D, If I do any mixing in Vegas, because I have more than 16 tracks
then the 03D acts like a sub group fader for the combined tracks.
The 03D also has 2 onboard effects, If I need more than that, then I
start to use Plugins. The output of the 03D goes to my DAT Player and
that is the final Mix. I love doing background Vocals direct to hard
disk, because I always hated using a a sampler to "fly In" background
vocal parts. Now once the Chorus Vocals are recorded I just group
those together in Vegas and copy them where they have to go. I record
at 44.1K 16bit, because that's how it's going to my DAT tape and
that's how it's going to CD. I think 24bit is great, but I don't
know anyone yet that can listen to a particular recording and tell
me, yeah that was recorded in 24bit and that one was recorded in
16bit. I believe there should be more emphasis put on your
engineering skills, than what bit depth and sample rate you're
recording at,so I think whatever makes my life simpler, then that's
the way I'll work. A lot of hit records where recorded on 16bit and
I think they sound great. Pick up this month's EQ, Atlantis
Morrisette's Jagged little pill was cut on 16bit Adats...that sold 30
million copies. Basically I use Vegas as an Editor most. I own a
recording studio, currently with 2 rooms right now and a third being
built. 1 room has 32 Tracks of DA-88's....the other is a mastering
room, which I just built a Vocal booth onto and that is home to my
Vegas system...that's why I only have 1 DA-88 also, to do transfers
if things need to be edited, from the other studio. The third room
being built will have a 2" machine and Adats and we'll probably throw
a Vegas system in there too....so I hope to have all bases covered
come Christmas time, if SF ever get's all the bugs worked out.

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>. I never noticed it because I've always done this type of
>>>>thing using a stereo file and of course the level was going to be
>>>>different anyways, because I had done some kind of processing to
>>the
>>>>waveform. Basically this is really F**cked up. Makes me wonder
if
>>>>anyone even tries these functions out before releasing the
>>software?
>>>>The Mono to Stereo, there's no excuse for that.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>I wonder the same thing, a lot :)
>>
>>I am interested in learning about working styles from other vegas
>>users. I go to tape first, then later transfer to vegas for mixing
>>and editing...that pretty much precludes stereo input to vegas for
>>most tracks, however, Ive been changing my track order on the
>>machines so that I can input things like overheads and accoustic
>>guitars in stereo....makes things easier...
>>
>>Do you record straight to vegas?
>>What hardware do you use to do that?
>>What sampling rates?
>>How do you deal with latency ?
>>
>>sorry to be a pest, but Ive always got a hungry mind :)
>>

Brian Franz wrote:
>>
>> I'm having a hard time understanding everyone's hangup,
>>with the "open Copy In Sound Forge" not working? I've been
>>having no problem with it. I imagine you would have a
>>problem with it, if you're trying to open a copy and you're
>>in 24bit mode? That's because Sound Forge doesn't yet
>>support 24bit mode.....but it's coming!! That's not a
>>Vegas, hangup, that's a Sound Forge hangup. I work in
>>16bit and I love this feature. I hated when I use to go
>>into Sound Forge and reverse a section and then have to
>>save it and prey everyting was ok in Vegas, because now my
>>undos were gone in Sound Forge after saving. Is there
>>something I'm missing?

Brian $ Aaron, Are you talking about Vegas Audio 2.0b? Because my
VegasPro works fine. Mono file "Open Copy In Sound Forge" stays
mono, stereo stays stereo. I have VA2b but have not loaded it yet.
This not working like VP would be a deaster in my studio right now.
Thanks mcm

Brian Franz wrote:
>>
>> I'm having a hard time understanding everyone's hangup,
>>with the "open Copy In Sound Forge" not working? I've been
>>having no problem with it. I imagine you would have a
>>problem with it, if you're trying to open a copy and you're
>>in 24bit mode? That's because Sound Forge doesn't yet
>>support 24bit mode.....but it's coming!! That's not a
>>Vegas, hangup, that's a Sound Forge hangup. I work in
>>16bit and I love this feature. I hated when I use to go
>>into Sound Forge and reverse a section and then have to
>>save it and prey everyting was ok in Vegas, because now my
>>undos were gone in Sound Forge after saving. Is there
>>something I'm missing?