Is it worth to spend money for high end graphics card too?

no, in fact an integrated graphics would work the same. in your case would try first upgrading the hd to an 1tb ssd and kill background process

Is it worth to spend money for high end graphics card too?

no, in fact an integrated graphics would work the same. in your case would try first upgrading the hd to an 1tb ssd and kill background process

@supergafudo And do you have proof?

Is it worth to spend money for high end graphics card too?

no, in fact an integrated graphics would work the same. in your case would try first upgrading the hd to an 1tb ssd and kill background process

@supergafudo And do you have proof?

well he is using a very powerful computer, there is no need to buy a new one when the problem, if it is hardware related, probably is the crappy 5400rpm drive that comes usually with laptops.

@OldSmoke you have this in mind - https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/laptops-notebooks-and-2-in-1-laptops/new-xps-15/spd/xps-15-9570-laptop/cnx97010 ?

@supergafudo thanks for the tip, I will check if I have such uprgade option on my msi laptop. I recently made format on my drive to speed things up, like I said it works fine but it make sense for me to sell this laptop now when its still good value and upgrade for something really powerful for the future.

I was interested to hear about the ssd solution, in your opinion using data from ssd helps that much? What if I would edit using external ssd?

OldSmoke you have this in mind - https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/laptops-notebooks-and-2-in-1-laptops/new-xps-15/spd/xps-15-9570-laptop/cnx97010 ?

Yes, that would be the new model. SSDs will help a lot and you should keep your source files on a separate disk, separate from the OS. The problem with Laptops is their limited connectivity, usually limited to USB, Thunderbolt or eSATA and one must ensure that power savings are disabled for external devices. USB-C and Thunderbolt have a high data throughput and should be ok even for 4K editing, multicam can be challenging and a proxy workflow may be required.

Is it worth to spend money for high end graphics card too?

no, in fact an integrated graphics would work the same. in your case would try first upgrading the hd to an 1tb ssd and kill background process

@supergafudo And do you have proof?

well he is using a very powerful computer, there is no need to buy a new one when the problem, if it is hardware related, probably is the crappy 5400rpm drive that comes usually with laptops.

@supergafudo In your post you are stating that and iGPU is as good as a dGPU and disagree with that and asked you for your proof.

@OldSmoke I have 256 GB M.2 SSD that i use as C drive with windows and all programs. For storage I have other 1TB 7200 rpm HDD so there are the clips to edit...

@OldSmoke I have 256 GB M.2 SSD that i use as C drive with windows and all programs. For storage I have other 1TB 7200 rpm HDD so there are the clips to edit...

I assume the 1TB HDD is also in your laptop and a SATA III? You could try and replace it with a SSD, prices have come down quite a bit. Any kind of SSD will be faster than a HDD. Still, the CPU is only a 4-core? My 3930K 6-core CPU can handle 4K 30p XAVC-I at Best/Full even with FXs and transitions are ok too. Native 4K 30p multicam is a no go and I have to use proxies.

@OldSmoke you have this in mind - https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/laptops-notebooks-and-2-in-1-laptops/new-xps-15/spd/xps-15-9570-laptop/cnx97010 ?

 

@supergafudo thanks for the tip, I will check if I have such uprgade option on my msi laptop. I recently made format on my drive to speed things up, like I said it works fine but it make sense for me to sell this laptop now when its still good value and upgrade for something really powerful for the future.

I was interested to hear about the ssd solution, in your opinion using data from ssd helps that much? What if I would edit using external ssd?

just open the windows task manager and play the project video, if you see your hdd near 90% probably the hdd is the cause of slowdowns.

or put your media in the ssd

@OldSmoke uhh its getting too tech for me :) I have this one - https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GE72VR-6RF-Apache-Pro/Specification ( or check https://www.cnet.com/products/msi-ge72vr-apache-pro-009-17-3-core-i7-6700hq-16-gb-ram-256-gb-ssd-plus-1-tb-hdd/specs/)

Not sure if its SATA III or which ssd should I buy for it... any ideas?

Processor is Intel Core i7 (6th Gen) 6700HQ / 2.6 GHz and quad core.

 

@supergafudo In your post you are stating that and iGPU is as good as a dGPU and disagree with that and asked you for your proof.

he is using a laptop, dgpu of laptops are not so different for a video editor perspective than igpu

@supergafudo 

Disc looks quite fine but CPU is running heavy duty

@supergafudo 

Disc looks quite fine but CPU is running heavy duty

wow this is crazy, do you have some background task running? also change your energy plan to max perfomance

@supergafudo no i checked, Vegas is taking 90% of CPU... its 6th Gen i7 so not the newest and I have run 4k files... you think there might be some problem? I have all the latest drivers. High Performance is set...

@supergafudo no i checked, Vegas is taking 90% of CPU... its 6th Gen i7 so not the newest and I have run 4k files... you think there might be some problem? I have all the latest drivers. High Performance is set...

I am not very good with vegas specifics problems, probably other one could help you much better than me, but I found really crazy this cpu use just for play a video in the timeline.

@supergafudo well yea me neither.. i did some testing and CPU goes wild even when I use proxies... Maybe its supposed to be like this, IDK. Anyway this thread was meant more for suggestion for a great (preferably 17") laptop around 2000Eur to edit in Vegas haha :D

With my Dell XPS 15 (9560) I get better timeline performance and way faster rendering when using the Nvidia GPU with Vegas Pro 15. I edit 4K clips on an 8 bit timeline without proxy files. Overall it works well and I suggest looking at Dell refurbished ones and coupons (see techbargains.com for example) as there are frequent deals. If you don't care about portability there are bigger/more expensive gaming type machines like the Alienware 15 etc.

Thanks @RogerS and no I dont care about portability at all, in fact I prefer bigger 17" screen. So hhow about this https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/laptops-notebooks-and-2-in-1-laptops/new-alienware-17/spd/alienware-17-laptop/n00aw17r517 ? Is i9 processor something that and want? I will not be playing games on it, does it make sense to pay extra for the better graphics card? Would I feel the difference with 1080 (or 1070) compare to 1060 ?

I use a Acer Predator gaming laptop, which has very similar specs to the OP. 32 gig of ram, SSD for programs, second hard drive in laptop for files, same graphics card off the top of my head...definitely 6gig nivida. Oh and two 4k monitors - the propriety 4k laptop monitor and an LG secondary one. I also use a thunderbolt connected harddrive...but the drive still runs as usb 3 I think, certainly the read and write speeds are USB3. Now the issue the OP has is 4k videos and indeed being able to edit them without lag. I'm not 100 percent sure, but even though the laptop specs you've posted would suggest it could handle 4k video and film editing, the issue I believe is the graphics card may not be powerful enough. The only caveat to this is, at what framerate is the 4k footage you're trying to edit. You see, I tried to create a 60fps 3d animation and there was no way my laptop could handle 4k and 60fps. This is when I learnt that even though my gaming laptop seems all souped up and ready to create at 4k - the video card may not have been powerful enough especially at high framerates. Unfortunately, and I can't verify this without further research and or testing another laptop, but I think anything 4k in terms of editing may require a desktop or a 5000 dollar laptop to really get enough power for said 4k editing.

The only other suggestion I have is, Samsung have just released some new insane SSD drives that can run at thunderbolt type read and write speeds...you could give this a go. This may work, if instead the laptops power is enough but it lacks the throughput because the machine can't access the data fast enough...the pipes get blocked so to speak..

Hope that helps

Your current machine is pretty good. You can look at benchmarks that show more or less the difference between your current GPU and CPU and the new one.

I have one generation newer i7 CPU than you and only get 90 percent usage when rendering without GPU. Something is odd here. Are you at 90 even with effects off in the preview window?

Anyway, I doubt you'll see more than an incremental improvement as Vegas isn't that optimized.

 

I have one generation newer i7 CPU than you and only get 90 percent usage when rendering without GPU. Something is odd here. Are you at 90 even with effects off in the preview window?

I have same cpu as poster. I confirm computer (CPU) can't handle 60fps 4k. Even with NVENC render cpu is higher than 90% when encoding h265 60fps (renders at 17fps). vegas is using gpu for processing from what I can see & obviously rendering with gpu(nvenc). I think that's normal.

4k 24fps uses hardly any resources, 4k 60fps cripples the machine. Many others have complained about vegas not handling high frame rates at 4k. As a comparison Timeline playback is 1fps cpu in mid 90 percents with vegas15, but in resolve 14 timeline playback is 60fps & cpu is 56%.

But as for what cpu the poster needs to handle 4k60p, what i7's are people using that get timeline playback of 60fps?

Is really insane that with this cpus you could not play a video in the timeline, I understand that apply effects in real time is another thing, but cut, paste, play etc... is really scary that is not possible with a powerful cpu like that, no matter the frame rate. IMHO is software internal problem related on how Vegas is programmed and the way it process video in the time line.

does the programmers have any reply to that. In their internal tests whats are the minimum requeriments to play a 4K 60fps?