OT: 8X DVDs, anyone having much joy with these?

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craftech wrote on 3/28/2005, 4:16 AM
The general rule of thumb I've heard from the people at the dv.com dvd forum
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I have never seen so much misinformation as I have seen on that forum. I wish Ralph (The moderator) would take a more active role in it.

John
riredale wrote on 3/28/2005, 7:51 AM
Kanst:

I think you've been fed some misinformation. Low speed or high, the data is the same. There is nothing to be gained by burning at 1x.
vitalforce2 wrote on 3/28/2005, 8:13 AM
Hope not to jinx myself, but I've had uniform good results burning both Verbatim 8X DVD-R and even DVD-R DL, and Maxell 8X DVD-Rs. My Pioneer A09 with a firmware update, using Nero Encode 2, will even burn the Maxell 8Xs at 16X (Nero selected the 16X speed itself).
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musman wrote on 3/28/2005, 9:55 AM
If memory serves, it was either Ralph who said it or chimed in to agree with the statement. I'm pretty sure, but it would take some research to check up on.
bjtap wrote on 3/28/2005, 10:05 AM
I have been doing well with the Printable Verbatim DVD+R at 8x. I too have had no satisfaction with Ritek at that speed and have stopped purchasing them.
Barry
vitalforce2 wrote on 3/28/2005, 1:54 PM
Because sound is simply a digital stream, right? Any CD player is built to playback up to 44,100 kHz, right?
Coursedesign wrote on 3/28/2005, 5:42 PM
44,100 Hz (not kHz) is the sampling rate of the digital stream.

This means that in theory it could record up to 22,050 Hz audio, but in practice you can't use infinitely steep filters, so it maxes out at less than that.
Kanst wrote on 3/29/2005, 11:25 AM
If you can't believe me about AudioCD recording speed, just ask any soundengineer from professional AudioCD mastering studio.
May be I mistaken while translating problem from russian as a "short size pit", try to understand it as "blured pit".
Mahesh wrote on 3/29/2005, 12:59 PM
I have just started using Verbatim x8 DVD-R printable disks. I have supplied hundreds of disks ( x2) and had only one returned in 3 years.Since using x 8 I am having returns from disks burnt using my duplicator stack which uses Pioneer A104 burners.
I have 2 set top DVD players. Both are CyberHome 528 but one of the players has less tolerance to errors and I find that disks that are returned have problems playing in this player: This problem disks are about 4Gb and the the player will stick nearer the end of the video.

Disks burnt in Pioneer A108 at 8 speed will play on both both these players.
Discks burnt in Pioneer A104 will struggle in some DVD players.

Looks like I will have to replace the 7 A104 DVD burners in this duplicator!!
craftech wrote on 3/30/2005, 7:16 AM
Looks like I will have to replace the 7 A104 DVD burners in this duplicator!!
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So why not use Taiyo Yuden 4x media or Ritek G04 instead?
Mahesh wrote on 3/30/2005, 7:53 AM
Therer are still problems at x4. As I have been using Verbatim DVD-R from day-1 without any problems, I guess I shall stick with that. With present set-up, I am getting 95% compatibility. Before at x 2, I was getting well over 99% compatibility.
craftech wrote on 3/30/2005, 7:58 AM
I only meant that you should buy 4x media. I never burn at more than 1x or 2x. Total number of returned discs to date ............................ZERO.

John
Mahesh wrote on 3/30/2005, 8:44 AM
John, Here in UK, it is becoming increasingly difficult to source x4 media. I am hoping that I would get this 'speed' thing sorted before the supply of x4 completely dries up.
craftech wrote on 3/30/2005, 8:50 AM
I know. They are getting kind of scarce here as well. I just ordered another splindle of 100 GO4 inkjet printable media a few days ago from Supermediastore because I am starting to get worried. I really don't want to switch to 8x media since I won't burn past 2x anyway.

John
Kanst wrote on 3/30/2005, 11:39 PM
On early starting DVD burning I'm bye 10 noname DVD-R (1x-4x, made in India, 0,6$ each) and has read problems on all after 3 Gb (burned at 2x with NEC 2500).
Just a week ago I'm burn two last disks with NEC3520 at 4x (in NERO with bitsetting to DVD-ROM) and result is OK!
farss wrote on 3/31/2005, 4:38 AM
Firstly I've always had problems burning at 2x, switched to 4x same media, same project etc, problem gone. Same goes for CDs, lower error rates at 20x than at 4x.
But even if we get the 8x stuff to burn so they payback OK what's really worrying me is how long the damn things are going to last. One of my media suppliers mentioned this as being a real gottcha when we first started talking about 8x a long time ago. Now I'm reading that tests reveal even after 12 months the error rates on 8x media are going up.
If all this is true the public are the victims of one of the greatest con jobs ever. They're been merrily copying their precious VHS tapes to DVDs because they'll last longer, well guess what, some of those tapes have lasted for around 30 years, no one will certify even 4x DVD media for over 10 years, 8x media it looks like we'll be lucky to get 5 years out of.
Bob.
JJKizak wrote on 3/31/2005, 5:20 AM
Those JVC D-VHS tapes are looking real good now, at least we know they will last 30 years.

JJK