What is the origin of Obama as a major source of gun control?

It seems to me this is like Al Gore's being accused of having said that he invented the internet.

I can't find a single citation from anyone who actually heard him say that, and no public record of it either.

My guess is that the purported statement was totally invented by some senator debating the funding of the early internet, where Al Gore was indisputably (supported by public records) at the time the #1 driving force in pushing for funds.

The other senator may have said to Al Gore, "You're so hot on this, it sounds like it's your baby!," and other politicians who thought that the internet was a useless academic exercise were quick to add on to that.

And an urban legend was born.

At the time, Al Gore was the only politician who saw the value of expanding the internet to the public (it was at the time for academics and researchers).

I used the internet at that time (which was long before the web), accessing it through a dial-up connection to the nearest Veteran's Administration Hospital.

Fortunately Al Gore was patient enough to continue evangelizing what he saw as a major competitive factor for the U.S.

After much relatively recent political wrangling, the telecom companies got $70 billion in tax payer money to provide broadband access to all Americans, so that new businesses could be created across the country.

Unfortunately there was no adult supervision, so they took the money and gave it to shareholders instead, and the U.S. slipped from 4th place to 14th place (and is expected to continue to fall behind even worse).

This in spite of the FCC choosing an embarrassingly modest definition of broadband speed.


...for Obama to write executive orders and not have to have due process with the American people or congress.

So there was due process when Bush wrote Executive Orders, but not when Obama is writing them?

Ah... I love this topic. People get to hear, what they want to hear, we love one candiate and hate the other. This is good stuff, but here is a simple observation.

If you will recall... President Bush once had an approval rating of over 80%. At one point the president had a higher approval rating than congress.

President Obama, may be qualified and time will tell. He does have a lot to deal with and we hope for change. At the same time, the inaugaration day may have been his last day of being most liked. All good things...

Chad

Dave hit the nail right on the head. American Presidents are mere "Puppets" for those agencies that wield the real power. The main ones being, 1: The CIA, who have made more mistakes than you can poke the proverbial stick at. 2: All those other Security agencies who seem to be able to see a shadow lurking where nobody else can. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, America assumed the mantle of "Leaderof the Free World", with dire consequences for our very survival. Alf

It seems to me this is like Al Gore's being accused of having said that he invented the internet.
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Just for the sake of being informed, this is what all that Gore inventing the internet stuff refers to... (I found it with virtually no effort of searching).

Link - About 1/3 to 2/5ths of the way down ( just do a text search of the page for the word "internet".

"GORE: Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

Dave

While the last President may have been a puppet, there is no indication at this point that that the new President will be. He's only been on the job for several days, let's give him six months and then revisit this thread.

I took the initiative in creating the Internet.

So he said effectively that he took the initiative in getting the internet created, and then he immediately added the second sentence to be absolutely clear about what he meant.

Do you have any link to show that he didn't actually do exactly what he said above?

To pick up on one issue that's been raised, as a "foreigner" I must admit that I'm always shocked at the amount of resistance there is to gun control in the U.S. To me it's a clear sign of how many lives in that "free country" are dominated by fear.
The thought of most people having guns would ruin life here in Australia - there is simply no need for it, particularly in the cities.

I agree that there is a lot of irrational fear here in the U.S. that leads to gun ownership, and when this happens to people living in cities, they often have no experience with guns, and they do not get any training (which is available at every gun club).

This leads to them either wasting money on a gun they'll never use, or when the time comes and they have an assailant at the door, they very often get killed with their own gun, because they have never thought through what it means to kill another human being, so they have their gun taken from them and used to shoot them.

Now if you live in a rural area, where you know that if you call the police, they will be there in two hours at best...

That's another story, and it will sometimes be appropriate to have at least a shotgun for protection. A pump shotgun has a sound when cycled that almost everybody has heard on TV at least, and this can freeze anyone in his tracks, not to mention that nobody argues with a 10-gauge barrel pointing their way.

Even if they don't know about the potentially 4" wound channel through their body that leads to very rapid loss of blood pressure, which leads to unconsciousness (because the brain needs blood to function) and death, they instinctively feel that they should just freeze first and then slowly raise their arms. This saves the gun owner from having to spend the next four hours filling out police forms, and the personal sadness that comes from having to kill a fellow human being, no matter how crooked.

Handguns have all kinds of problems, and in addition to that they can shoot people through walls, which could mean that in your eagerness to blast the cat burglar, you shoot your kids and/or your wife in the room behind where the burglar is standing. This has happened quite a few times.

The record for handgun stupidity goes to a German guy who tried to use one to commit suicide, but missed and killed his neighbor through the wall. So he was convicted of manslaughter and put away for life.... A long and miserable life... :O).

The point of the gun comment is, in the constitution we have the right to bear arms. I you implement gun control then it only will be forced upon LAW abiding people, the criminals have always had guns most stolen and not legal anyway and they will always have them "that is why they are called criminals and gangsers" the law abiding people should and have that right to have guns.

They also have to take responsibilty for them and learn to use them properly. If they cant do that than they have no right owning one.
But it is still thier right. As for other countries I am wondering what other freedoms you have to give up as well and how many more you are willing to lose, your criminals still have guns and people still get killed. so how has your gun lose helped you.

Also if they sucseed to take our guns then what else will they say is unsafe and take away. freedom is lost one law and one step at a time.

Oh, puhleeze! This is 2009, not 1963.

"Do you have any link to show that he didn't actually do exactly what he said above?"

Course - I didn't say anything at all beyond this is why this is said, and gave you the text, the context, and nothing else, because you said that it was probably just someone making an urban legend. I don't want to argue anything with you here. I'm just giving you the reason why people said it.

I think you're taking things too personally here.

Dave

I haven't looked at Obama's views on gun control, but what I do know is that gun control has rarely inhibited those who want to get their hands on guns, if they're willing to break the law.

I will admit that I'm a firm believer in the right to bear arms, as were our founding fathers, because they knew that when push comes to shove, if the power was to be with the people, they had to have the power to revolt against a corrupt government.

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

Declaration of Independence - I think everyone needs to read it. After I produced a video of several people in the local government quoting different portions and mixing them all together, I began to really understand what this country was founded on (funny that history class never did that for me). I think we all need to take some time and learn for ourselves what our founding fathers said, and make up our own minds on what they meant, not what others tell us they meant etc...

Dave

I'm familiar with the old saying "if guns are outlawed, only inlaws will have guns" (or something like that :O).

But countries with "gun control" don't forbid their citizens to use guns.

All remotely reasonable hunting guns are allowed with virtually no restrictions.

Individuals are allowed to own handguns, but they're not allowed to remove them from their gun club without police permission (this varies greatly between countries).

Here in the U.S. even twice-convicted felons can legally buy high-caliber assault rifles and handguns with no registration check whatsoever. This is euphemistically referred to as "the gun show loophole."

On top of that, a HUGE amount of rifles and handguns are sold at retail in the southern border states (especially Texas) and smuggled over the border in bulk for use by Mexican drug cartels to kill police officers every day. This has recently become such a serious issue that the viability of Mexico as a nation has been brought into serious question.

As Editguy43 commented, freedom is lost one law and one step at a time. This is accurate and will lead to what once was... will never be again.

I could take a rant to so many corners, but in the end the result will be the same. Change is coming... not just in the US. Just for fun look back to our sci-fi writers they don't all have crazy fore sight.

"It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.

$1,000,000,000,000.00 - Really?