Spot, what I am saying is theres not much out there now that is socially redeeming. I believe that is why I am discontent with the current state of the industry. I just wish the industry would get back to its roots and provide thought provoking movies that did change lives.

I would have to say one of the best movies I have seen in the last few years had to be Wonderland. While the cinematography left a little to be desired, the story telling of two different sides of two dirt bags and the malicious murder of four albeit no totally inoocent people was intriguing. I left thinking, "who the hell was telling the truth and who actually swung the pipes?".

Like they say, different folks different strokes. I entertained some of my clients to a Prince concert about 3 months back. I had always admired Prince as an artist and respected his talent. I was highly disappointed by the concert and thought it was one of the worst concerts I have ever been too, and I've been to a lot of concerts. On the other hand the clients I brought where highly impressed by the show. Was I upset? No, it just wasn't my cup of tea and although I was still able to appreciate the artistic value of the performance and was happy my clients enjoyed it.

I like Spot's Jack-ass example also. Myself and my wife, rented this on DVD and watched it. She thought it was the stupidest movie she ever saw. I thought it was pretty hilarious just being dumb entertainment and really enjoyed it. Infact growing up, one of my favorite movies of all time was "Fast times at Ridgemont High". That movie made me laugh my ass off for the dumb humour in it and I think I watched it 13 times repeatedly when I was younger. I don't think it had much of an impact on me today in my leadership roles.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High was an excellent movie. It had a mix of every stereo type from back then.

Personally I think one of the all time underrated films that dealt with teenage issues/situations was "Last American Virgin." While it wasnt as thought provoking as I appreciate now, man, who couldnt relate to the kid who did everything for the girl who ended up screwing him over for his friend who didnt want her when she was pregnant.

But even films that were meant as comedy still had some sort of storyline that was apparent from time to time. Even Porkys managed to tell a fairly decent story.

I watched Fast Times at Ridgemont High 2 nights ago. I LOVE Jeff Spicolli's character. And pizza never was so good as in that movie.

Have you guys ever seen the movie "Mulholland Drive"? If anyone could tell me what the story line in that one was, please help me out.

I'm in the middle of a script about 2 producers trying to convince a financier to invest in their individual films.

One knows EXACTLY how it should be done and wants a few million dollars.

The other wants to make a "fun" movie and wants a few thousand dollars.

By the end of this thread I'll have enough material to finish it.

Otherwise this will be an hour and a half of my life that I'll never get back.

.........Have you guys ever seen the movie "Mulholland Drive"?
that was a weird one On my all time top 10 worst movies list , tied with eye of the beholder .

nickle, it doesnt matter how much money or how they do it, just make them tell a good story.

BTW: this is the hour and a half of my life we are talking about. ;)

But hey, if you use this thread for your script, I want royalties or at the very least, some credits.

Not to agree or disagree with anyone (I honesty have no idea what the movie is even about), but as I was reading this thread my daughter walk in and ask if we could get the movie "Napolean Dynamite", of course she had no idea what I was reading, so I asked her why, and she said that several kids at school were telling her that it is an awesome movie. I quess now I will need to find out more information about this movie.

After watching it, post your review from an adult stand point and post your daughters review. Im quite interested.

"Have you guys ever seen the movie "Mulholland Drive"? If anyone could tell me what the story line in that one was, please help me out."

Finally someone asks that question!!!

And Twin Peaks??

I read an interview with the blond actress from that movie, Naomi .............??
And she would never have done this and that, if it were'nt for the profound respect for David Lynch. The Hollywood acting community seems to have put Mr. Lynch to a GOD like status. He is doing something that "the sensitive artists" understand, but not me.

Mulholland Drive seemed to have been made very professionally, no boom's in view, clean sound and all that. But in my view, that movie is Cra..p. But that is just me.

Any Given Sunday. I'm the only one who likes that movie, of the people I know and have seen that one. I'm the odd one there, But that is just me.

Any Given Sunday was a good flick. Great storyline that you dont see too often in movies today. It portrayed atheletes as the spoiled brats that they are instead of putting them on a pedestal and kissing their ass. It showed a coach that felt the pressure to win and the inner struggle to please everyone even though it went against all of his principles.

For a really good laugh, see the hillarious film "SIDEWAYS" starring Paul Giamatti that's currently playing in small theatres.



AND,
There's quite a bit about "Mulholland Drive" on the web for the person who asked about the storyline, etc.

For me, Any Given Sunday was about the pase of today's pro showbiz life Vs. the pase of the professional showbiz life, and the actual enjoyment of it decades ago.

And how you get drawn away from the actual subject you loved and aspired to be good at. When you're in the trenches, you not only dont see the forest, but loose view of the trees.

"There's quite a bit about "Mulholland Drive" on the web for the person who asked about the storyline, etc."


Well, you shoud'nt have to be online as you're watching a movie.

Patrick I admit, I was gonna ask for a list of movies that you DO like and see if they were all obscure b+w French films that put me to sleep. But I must say all of the movies you mentioned above are movies I have loved as well so I don't question your choices one bit. Wonderland was very disturbing to me but very very well crafted. Great moviemaking.

But my question is...you said above that your gonna stick to your guns and become a sucessful movie maker so you can "shove it in their faces" or something like that. You seem to be motivated by the rage that you have from being dealt a bad deal. Being mad and getting even is a plot device in a movie but is it really a motivating factor in creating you're art?

Quinten Tarantino ( spelled wrong ) has several movies that contain huge amounts of anger and violence and bloodshed. But he will be the first to say that his movies are made as a huge homage to his LOVE of movies. Not the anger he has in his life.

I feel movies should come from a place in us that want to share what we have inside. It's that sharing that will inspire others to do the same. Of course all these movies must be financed someway and of course the guys with the money would like to see a profit from the money they put in. So it's art vs commerce all over again.

But it's the people that create from their hearts and minds that make the kind of art that touches, inspires, teaches, provokes thought and yes, entertains.

patrick,

I'm 25 years old, I grew up in the 80's and 90's; in college I studied film got a fine arts degree in film and video production. If you want to see some films you'll ask "WHY?" about, take some film studies classes at a fine arts college.

anyway;

I loved Napoleon Dynamite. It reminded me of high school and how some kids in my group of friends were just like the main character; quirky, wierd, nerdy; It was right on. I guess it just hits the spot for people who can relate to the things that took place in the film; for instance the uncle rico who obsesses about a high school state football game; its so pathetic, but so true with some people I grew up with (some situations); and Napoleon, the extreme geek who doesnt fit in with the crowd; come on; you gotta remember someone like him from your high school... It may be an age thing (not meant derogatory) but I guess as was said many times in this thread which hopefully will die soon (oopps... sorry for posting again on it =P) "to each is to own"

B

Stone,

The shove it in their face is directed to those that tell me that being a successful director is impossible. Surely thats not my only reason for being successful but I use it as a motivational tool. If I quit or give up, then I prove all of the naysayers right.

I will admit a bit of bitterness. Actually one of my scripts I am currently writing an outline on as we speak deals with why I am so bitter at the cards that were dealt. Its titled "Holding Out for a Hero". I will post the outline here in the next few days once I give it a couple glance overs and I will gladly accept any and all criticisms. Its a tear jerker for me and I am hoping that when people finish viewing the film that they not only cry but appreciate the love they have in their lives. Lets just say this is my way of acceptance and a way to put an end to the bitterness from this event.

Ill leave you with this one little thought about HOFAH. My tagline will be something along the lines of :

"Just how far would you be willing to go to hold a secret for the one you love? Are you willing to sacrifice your life so their secret and shame remains entact? Could you be the hero they are holding out for?"

Have you guys ever seen the movie "Mulholland Drive"? If anyone could tell me what the story line in that one was, please help me out.

Salon magazine published several articles on the film. I love puzzle movies that require thought, discussion, and maybe even...horrors!...subsequent viewings to fully appreciate. One aspect of the film I like is that the naive-girl-goes-to-Hollywood storyline was the plot of the original series pilot. When the producers/network balked and Lynch bought the show back and shot new footage to turn it into a feature, he added the Hollywood-turns-out-to-be- a-cold-place-that-destroys-your-dreams aspects of the film. Talk about applying your real life circumstances into your work.




All you have to do is dream

David Lynch's latest tour de force

Someone asked for an adult review of Napoleaon Dynamite. Well Ill take a stab at it. Would it be on my top 10 list? nope. Top 100? nope. Did i have a great time with my wife. Yes!!!! If someone wanted to watch it at there house, would i watch it. Yes. Watching a movie can be about "the art of movies" or it can be just fun. THis movie was in no way art as far as an artsy movie goes. No plot, Basic camera work and cinamotography. Many goof up "mike booms" etc. But it made me laugh. I dodnt go to see a movie where i was going to be aw struck of how well a movie cam be made on such a small budget. I went to be entertained and i was.

Also why look at a movie like this being made and feel despair that you were cheted out of somthing. Why not look at it and have hope. If a movie like this got this much attention, then surley i can do the same.

In the current issue of Videography the editor's note picked Napolean Dynamite as the best film of the year.

The other day on the subway in NYC, I saw someone wearing a Vote For Pedro T-shirt.

So it has it's champions. Are they playing the DVD commercials in your area? They are very good. They marketing behind this movie is very good.

I laughed during Napoleon Dynamite, but overall I was left unsatisfied. The movie really works at a character sketch and the pacing and the expressions are some of the best parts of the movie. Plotwise it's kinda weak. It has some very funny individual moments though. It belongs to a genre of indie films that create a quirky world that exists nowhere else. Wes Anderson's movies are excellent at this. Hal Hartley's movies did this. Office Space does this. The Station Agent which I enjoyed did this. It's not overtly surreal like Being John Malkovich, but you assume it not really reality. I guess you either buy into the world or you don't. If you aren't charmed, they are just annoying. Pmasters, can I ask how old you are? This movie definitely appeals to the world of geek-chic which is a fairly recent development. Have you seen how scruffy 25-year-olds look in TV commercials now? I remember when the guys in beer commercials were jocks or party animals, now they look like video gamers

One thing I did like about Napoleon Dynamite was that it was impossible to tell what decade you were in. The clothes and props were probably what the filmmakers had when they were in sixth grade. At one moment they would be talking about the internet, but all the electronics looked like they were from the 80's.

Napoleon's a zeta male who thinks he's an alpha male.

I am 33.

Yeah there were a couple parts that I smiled but not laughed. When his brother said he was training to be a cage fighter and the drinking the juice bit was kind of comical.