OT:Auto or manual cam settings

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mel58i wrote on 8/11/2005, 3:09 PM
Hmm! Go into a dimly lit room and turn the light on - the eye tells the brain there's too much light - the brain tells the eye to shut down (would be painful otherwise). Isn't that exactly what auto mode is doing?
Ok, perhaps a harsh comparison, but you get the idea.
I think using auto exposure without sudden movements to give the iris time to adjust is acceptable.
I try to visit ,as Bob says, the venues involved before the event to find out how I can do. If auto is on the cards, then ok, I use it. We have enough to think about capturing the occasion, we don't have time to re-run as Grazie would like!
Providing all is kept under control then auto is of benefit. Any slight inconsistancies can be ironed out in post. Imagine how we would correct a badly exposed print if the likes of photoshop weren't available - ok you can't make a sik purse out of a sows ear, but we can correct slight failings.
If I was doing a controlled shoot yes I would do manual - if I wasn't happy, I would do a re-run til it was right.
I know there are pros and cons with both methods - my XM2 tells me to engage ND filter when it can't close up any more, very annoying, but that's life!
Do what makes you feel more comfortable - you're no less of a pro for it - the finished product is all that matters, no matter how its acheived.


Mel.
winrockpost wrote on 8/11/2005, 4:05 PM
..................the finished product is all that matters, no matter how its acheived

Agreed,
I don't mean to come off like some pompous camera expert, but I truely feel if a person becomes comfortable with and understands the manual settings of their cam (assuming it has controls you dont have to stand on your head to use) that person will use manual 90% of the time, simply because you know what you are getting.
I was on a shoot recently where once in the edit i realized the second cam dude obviously was on auto, a lit set ,very controled, every time the talent would move his hands the aoto iris and/or gain would change, totally unseable shots unless the subject didn't move his hands.
Whatever works, good luck.
mel58i wrote on 8/12/2005, 1:35 AM
Thanks Winrock - I do understand what you are saying, it all comes with experience. Not been in the business for all that long, but I take it all on board.
Was playing with my XM2's settings yesterday and I find that by using the OSD of levels in manual mode that it wasn't too bad to acheive. Only real problem was it's more clutter in the viewfinder - yes you can turn off the displays, but you're then "shooting in the dark".
Many thanks.

Mel.
Grazie wrote on 8/12/2005, 3:55 AM
mel58i - you should really take this to the XM2 forum. You are missing out on BUCKETS of fine advice. If you are experimenting with the Manual side of things . . Great! There is much more to discover . .and it is straight forward too .. Zebras and Exposure scale are the things that assist . .DON'T forget that the LCD and EP are limiting . .

. . anyways, you'll find me there too! What a bonus! Hey?

Grazie
Grazie wrote on 8/12/2005, 10:04 PM
Here is the thing I was looking for you. This site is just CHOCK full of advice and the reasons for using Manual, being selective on your approach and analysing WHAT it is you want to shoot.

This SHOULD be required watching after about 2 months of getting around the XM2 - have fun!

I FOUND the site AGAIN!

View ALL the MOV tutorials - it is a must!

Have fun,

Grazie


Serena wrote on 8/12/2005, 11:14 PM
Yes, it's good. Didn't realise that was the site you were looking for. Answers the original question rather nicely.
Grazie wrote on 8/12/2005, 11:58 PM
"Didn't realise that was the site you were looking for. "

. .er . .well? You wouldn't would you?

Again its about your finished video "looking" pro NOT about looking pro and how one treats the talent?

Having exposure BLOWING up and DARKENNING and BLOWING up and DARKENNING and BLOWING up and DARKENNING . .. yes? Auto focus is good to "lock" in focus and then go Manual. This is a trick we've all learnt. I now have an Auto "PUSH" focus on a LANC - the Frotti 521Pro .. brilliant!

Auto WB? Well, the templates for SUN, INDOORS, AUTO [ yes there is an auto WB too!] are set. Manual WB is excellent to get the camera "prepped" for filming "THE" shot. Having you own WB presets allow quick dialing up the WB for coming into from outside. Auto WB? Hmmm... Are Auto WB for one camera the same as another? How about mixed Auto WB and WB-ed work? Complex, eh?

So for me: Manual Focus using Auto to lock on; WB for mixed and messy lighting enviros; Now I use the exposure scale in the XM2 to more effect PLUS Zebras ..

. .and yes it does rather answer the original question . .. took time! But I got there . . and thanks farss for the original link back in Jan this year,

Grazie
riredale wrote on 8/13/2005, 4:51 PM
Just shot my daughter's performance at a horse show today. The Dressage portion (where the horse and rider follow a memorized "map" around the arena, trotting in parts, cantering in others) took place inside a historic old wooden arena with lots of open windows. The VX2000 performed brilliantly, but as I suspected it would try to darken the scene if it encountered the brilliant sunlight coming through one of the windows. So I took exposure control out of automatic. After that, very nice images everywhere. The autofocus mechanism worked very cleanly and invisibly--I'm sure much better than I could be doing manually, what with the horse alternating between near and far every few seconds.

I read the article referenced above--based on it, I'm doing everything wrong all the time. To each his own, I guess.