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GenJerDan
wrote on 9/24/2006, 5:13 AM
Works by the U. S. government are not eligible for U. S. copyright protection.
I would assume that would cover work-for-hire, which those ads probably are.
I would assume that would cover work-for-hire, which those ads probably are.
Jay Gladwell
wrote on 9/24/2006, 2:00 PM
I have learned a great deal from the members of this forum, and it has not all been limited to Vegas, video, or editing. This forum is, for all intents and purposes, a microcosm.
If you will do your homework, there is one individual who has never taken part in threads such as this one, yet he has (I think I read recently) submitted more posts than anyone else here. And in all those post, I have never seen him angry. I've never seen him cast aspersions. I've never seen him make discouraging remarks toward anyone or anything. I've never read a post from him that has contain even the least degree of malice.
He is, without a doubt, the most affable of us all. He is a ball of energy and a well of enthusiasm, from which we all have drawn on occasion. He is, in my estimation, the epitome of a true gentlman. I think we all have great deal to learn from this individual's fine example, especailly when it comes to responding to threads such as this one. He doesn't!
I am genuinely grateful to you, Graham, for your outstanding example of humanity.
Logan5
wrote on 9/25/2006, 5:41 PM
I would like to a see a video that is titled “before you son detonates his bomb”
Have it follow the same format.
Have it follow the same format.
vitalforce
wrote on 9/25/2006, 9:42 PM
Uh--one little thing re: Frigid's last comment. Guess it's the lawyer in me. Free speech isn't "earned." It's a right. Get it? If we amended the very Constitution and did away with free speech, it would still be a right. Endowed by our creator and all that.
Free speech, though, is something you defend. If you can't defend it as a soldier there are other ways to defend it. Even right here at home. Every once in a while I defend it in a courtroom. But usually one defends free speech by using it. We on this forum, we're supposed to disagree once in a while for pete's sake. That's how free speech works. We can even call each other nasty names (subject of course to company policy) and criticize certain government agencies in time of war. Especially in time of war. You don't abandon all that just because someone, once again, is trying to attack you.
Iraq has become Vietnam without the water. But what I learned from Vietnam was that no matter how misguided the purpose of a war, however catastrophic its execution, it is the sacrifices soldiers make in the field, for each other, that consecrates their efforts far more than success or failure of a military campaign. Lincoln recognized this in his Gettysburg Address.
But heck--if you're not in the military yet and you don't know the meat grinder is presently set on "bullsh*t," it's not anti-anything for someone to make you aware of what you're about to get yourself into. If I'm about to step into the street in front of a runaway wood chipper, rather than wake up with one arm, one leg, one eye and nightmares, I would really have liked for someone to at least warn me.
However--I still stick to my opinion, agreeing basically with Frigid--this was not just an OT post, it was irrelevant to the forum topics. Makes for darn interesting discussions but this is not the forum for it.
That said--I intend to use the video as an example of good and creative modern doc-style editing. Da** it, the glass is half full.
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Free speech, though, is something you defend. If you can't defend it as a soldier there are other ways to defend it. Even right here at home. Every once in a while I defend it in a courtroom. But usually one defends free speech by using it. We on this forum, we're supposed to disagree once in a while for pete's sake. That's how free speech works. We can even call each other nasty names (subject of course to company policy) and criticize certain government agencies in time of war. Especially in time of war. You don't abandon all that just because someone, once again, is trying to attack you.
Iraq has become Vietnam without the water. But what I learned from Vietnam was that no matter how misguided the purpose of a war, however catastrophic its execution, it is the sacrifices soldiers make in the field, for each other, that consecrates their efforts far more than success or failure of a military campaign. Lincoln recognized this in his Gettysburg Address.
But heck--if you're not in the military yet and you don't know the meat grinder is presently set on "bullsh*t," it's not anti-anything for someone to make you aware of what you're about to get yourself into. If I'm about to step into the street in front of a runaway wood chipper, rather than wake up with one arm, one leg, one eye and nightmares, I would really have liked for someone to at least warn me.
However--I still stick to my opinion, agreeing basically with Frigid--this was not just an OT post, it was irrelevant to the forum topics. Makes for darn interesting discussions but this is not the forum for it.
That said--I intend to use the video as an example of good and creative modern doc-style editing. Da** it, the glass is half full.
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FrigidNDEditing
wrote on 9/26/2006, 6:21 AM
Vital - I don't think I said earned anywhere in my post that I can see. However I believe they have earned the right to be heard. And that I believe is something that is to be earned.
As for your woodchipper statement... eewwwwww :P It's not like these guys are re-enlisting because they're being lied to and they don't know what's really going on, they've been over there already, they know exactly what's going on, and basic enlistment is up too. We're in a war, and those that are enlisting are certainly aware of that. It's not like they've instituted the draft and are forcing men and women to go and fight a war they don't believe in. The fact is that no war has been as clean as this one is, apart from desert storm (geared to a differen't goal), and if I were to choose a war I was going to fight in, this would certainly be it, over WW1, WW2, or vietnam anyday.
sorry for extending this post yet again, just wanted to make sure it was understood that I didn't say earn the right to free speech, but that I do believe you earn the right to be heard, and many of our soldiers have and are being ignored because it's not what the news wants to report. (Again, this is based off of my own experiences with military personel, not some cook spouting off about how the news is anti-this or pro-that.)
Dave
As for your woodchipper statement... eewwwwww :P It's not like these guys are re-enlisting because they're being lied to and they don't know what's really going on, they've been over there already, they know exactly what's going on, and basic enlistment is up too. We're in a war, and those that are enlisting are certainly aware of that. It's not like they've instituted the draft and are forcing men and women to go and fight a war they don't believe in. The fact is that no war has been as clean as this one is, apart from desert storm (geared to a differen't goal), and if I were to choose a war I was going to fight in, this would certainly be it, over WW1, WW2, or vietnam anyday.
sorry for extending this post yet again, just wanted to make sure it was understood that I didn't say earn the right to free speech, but that I do believe you earn the right to be heard, and many of our soldiers have and are being ignored because it's not what the news wants to report. (Again, this is based off of my own experiences with military personel, not some cook spouting off about how the news is anti-this or pro-that.)
Dave
Coursedesign
wrote on 9/26/2006, 7:12 AM
if I were to choose a war I was going to fight in, this would certainly be it, over WW1, WW2
Please elaborate on your thinking process for this, I am genuinely interested.
(I haven't had my RDA of caffeine yet today, so I couldn't figure it out but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.)
Please elaborate on your thinking process for this, I am genuinely interested.
(I haven't had my RDA of caffeine yet today, so I couldn't figure it out but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.)
Coursedesign
wrote on 9/26/2006, 1:40 PM
Having had my pint of good caffeine, I started reading how Iraqis are saying there is now more torture in Iraq than during Saddam Hussein's regime.
Not so much from the current official puppet government of course, but from the numerous militias in fake government uniforms everywhere.
Perhaps they have been inspired by how our administration is trying to redesignate what we used to call "torture" when Gestapo and the Soviet Union did it, to now call it "friendly persuasion" when we do it.
It seems governments everywhere are really balking at this, perhaps they are more concerned about the reciprocity effect on their soldiers and citizens than our administration is.
For the many Evangelical Christians in this forum, isn't anyone concerned about Judgment Day after having supported directly or indirectly here in the U.S. the same evil that was Gestapo's favorite, such as "water boarding" etc.?
Like the bumper sticker asked, "Who would Jesus torture?"
Time for the next "Wag The Dog" film for this decade... Edited in Vegas of course and shot in XDCAM-HD.
I'm really beginning to get serious about liking the Sony PDW-530 HD camcorder, what a wonderful piece of equipment. There was a lot of work put into it to make it extremely robust which I also appreciate, and Sony certainly knows their video signal processing real good, the picture is astonishing.
Not so much from the current official puppet government of course, but from the numerous militias in fake government uniforms everywhere.
Perhaps they have been inspired by how our administration is trying to redesignate what we used to call "torture" when Gestapo and the Soviet Union did it, to now call it "friendly persuasion" when we do it.
It seems governments everywhere are really balking at this, perhaps they are more concerned about the reciprocity effect on their soldiers and citizens than our administration is.
For the many Evangelical Christians in this forum, isn't anyone concerned about Judgment Day after having supported directly or indirectly here in the U.S. the same evil that was Gestapo's favorite, such as "water boarding" etc.?
Like the bumper sticker asked, "Who would Jesus torture?"
Time for the next "Wag The Dog" film for this decade... Edited in Vegas of course and shot in XDCAM-HD.
I'm really beginning to get serious about liking the Sony PDW-530 HD camcorder, what a wonderful piece of equipment. There was a lot of work put into it to make it extremely robust which I also appreciate, and Sony certainly knows their video signal processing real good, the picture is astonishing.
rmack350
wrote on 9/26/2006, 3:07 PM
I think that's a great idea! In fact, there's probably a little bit of that going on in the middle east. Surely not as much as here since their pro-war/pro-death people are somewhat more violent than ours.
If there were a charity to help fund the production of pro-peace media in the middle east, would you donate money to it?
Rob Mack
If there were a charity to help fund the production of pro-peace media in the middle east, would you donate money to it?
Rob Mack
winrockpost
wrote on 9/26/2006, 3:23 PM
nevermind
riredale
wrote on 9/26/2006, 3:41 PM
Coursedesign:
I am astonished by your latest post.
I have come to rely on your experitise in video matters. This thread is taking us down a dark road and frankly I hope the Sony moderators pull it.
Let's see. As a captured terrorist, you are given two choices:
(1) Your 10-year-old daughter will be raped by a half-dozen thugs in front of you before she is cut up and left to die in your presence;
--OR--
(2) You will be forced to listen to Yanni/Springsteen/Zamfir 24/7.
Method #1 was typical of Hussein and the Nazis; #2 is typical of the American interrogators at Guantanamo. If you honestly are telling me that both methods are "torture" then there is really nothing else I can say.
And what's this business about the "puppet" government in Iraq? Millions of people openly defied snipers in going to the polls on election day and later proudly displayed their inked thumbs as proof of their belief in representative government. Any such demonstration back five years ago could have gotten you the #1 treatment above.
Please, enough.
I am astonished by your latest post.
I have come to rely on your experitise in video matters. This thread is taking us down a dark road and frankly I hope the Sony moderators pull it.
Let's see. As a captured terrorist, you are given two choices:
(1) Your 10-year-old daughter will be raped by a half-dozen thugs in front of you before she is cut up and left to die in your presence;
--OR--
(2) You will be forced to listen to Yanni/Springsteen/Zamfir 24/7.
Method #1 was typical of Hussein and the Nazis; #2 is typical of the American interrogators at Guantanamo. If you honestly are telling me that both methods are "torture" then there is really nothing else I can say.
And what's this business about the "puppet" government in Iraq? Millions of people openly defied snipers in going to the polls on election day and later proudly displayed their inked thumbs as proof of their belief in representative government. Any such demonstration back five years ago could have gotten you the #1 treatment above.
Please, enough.
Coursedesign
wrote on 9/26/2006, 3:43 PM
If there were a charity to help fund the production of pro-peace media in the middle east, would you donate money to it?
Certainly, if there was some credibility.
The Middle East has been fighting somewhat continuously for the last 3,500 years, so it's optimistic to believe in a sudden and permanent stop now.
Still, a lot could be done if the stronger parties could stop focusing on just "mine is bigger than yours" and think a bit about helping the Arab world get out of their funk.
You could argue that that is their problem, not ours. Fair reasoning, certainly.
But then the current situation continues, because the Arabs don't seem to be able to get out of the corner they painted themselves into.
Anybody ever wonder what on earth could drive somebody to become a suicide bomber? You gotta feel pretty bad, right?
Most of these are uneducated young men who are taken advantage of by unscrupulous religious extremists.
Bombs can't stop this. Walls can't stop it. The only thing that could really help would be to find a way to give these people a future.
And I certainly don't mean money.
Just look at Africa, where after 50 years of truly massive foreign aid, the per capita income is exactly the same as it was before the aid money started flowing in....
What has Africa done to help Africa? What has the rest of the world done to make sure Africa helps Africa? What can we do in the Middle East that is smart?
Film at 11.
Certainly, if there was some credibility.
The Middle East has been fighting somewhat continuously for the last 3,500 years, so it's optimistic to believe in a sudden and permanent stop now.
Still, a lot could be done if the stronger parties could stop focusing on just "mine is bigger than yours" and think a bit about helping the Arab world get out of their funk.
You could argue that that is their problem, not ours. Fair reasoning, certainly.
But then the current situation continues, because the Arabs don't seem to be able to get out of the corner they painted themselves into.
Anybody ever wonder what on earth could drive somebody to become a suicide bomber? You gotta feel pretty bad, right?
Most of these are uneducated young men who are taken advantage of by unscrupulous religious extremists.
Bombs can't stop this. Walls can't stop it. The only thing that could really help would be to find a way to give these people a future.
And I certainly don't mean money.
Just look at Africa, where after 50 years of truly massive foreign aid, the per capita income is exactly the same as it was before the aid money started flowing in....
What has Africa done to help Africa? What has the rest of the world done to make sure Africa helps Africa? What can we do in the Middle East that is smart?
Film at 11.
Coursedesign
wrote on 9/26/2006, 4:00 PM
Riredale:
I am surprised you don't read the newspapers (or watch TV news presumably).
Among the big news this week has been our President's great efforts to get the Gestapo's #1 favorite torture method, waterboarding, accepted under U.S. law.
That is real.
I don't know if the various illiterate chauffeurs and Afghan poppy farmers who were sold by their competitors and enemies to the U.S. military for $1,000 (there were numerous documented cases like this, and with no need for justice it was easy money for the crooks who sold them) were subjected to Yanni, that sounds like cruel and unusual punishment that should already be covered by the Constitution.
The Iraqi government? If we for the moment assume that the candidate selection was made to make the best of a difficult situation, there still remains the simple fact that ministers' hands are tied for the next 5 years, because nearly the entire state budget is already committed for that period to pay off contracts (very unwisely with mostly U.S. companies) signed by the U.S. Viceroy before he left.
I am surprised you don't read the newspapers (or watch TV news presumably).
Among the big news this week has been our President's great efforts to get the Gestapo's #1 favorite torture method, waterboarding, accepted under U.S. law.
That is real.
I don't know if the various illiterate chauffeurs and Afghan poppy farmers who were sold by their competitors and enemies to the U.S. military for $1,000 (there were numerous documented cases like this, and with no need for justice it was easy money for the crooks who sold them) were subjected to Yanni, that sounds like cruel and unusual punishment that should already be covered by the Constitution.
The Iraqi government? If we for the moment assume that the candidate selection was made to make the best of a difficult situation, there still remains the simple fact that ministers' hands are tied for the next 5 years, because nearly the entire state budget is already committed for that period to pay off contracts (very unwisely with mostly U.S. companies) signed by the U.S. Viceroy before he left.