OT: Canon Goes HD.... Finally :)
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Coursedesign
wrote on 9/16/2005, 9:26 AM
CCDs used to be called "bucket brigades" because of how they transfer the charge serially to the next "bit bucket".
The difficulty with reading CCDs is that reading a row can affect the adjacent row. This means that if you are only scanning every other row (interlaced) you are fine, but reading them progressively is more difficult.
The difficulty with reading CCDs is that reading a row can affect the adjacent row. This means that if you are only scanning every other row (interlaced) you are fine, but reading them progressively is more difficult.
Quryous
wrote on 9/16/2005, 4:04 PM
Nice article on it in www.camcorderinfo.com. It says NO 24p, and it is still just HDV.
mjroddy
wrote on 9/16/2005, 9:03 PM
Would this camera compare to the Z1u or the FX1? It APPEARS to be similar (in function and feature) to the Z1, but I'm not sure yet.
Reading the "press release" it looks mighty. And with Cannon optics, I wonder how it compares to Sony's Zeis glass.
Have there been any comparisons yet? (heh - yeah, well, the camera was just announced 24 hours ago...)
I know many folk have dismissed the JVC and I'll acquess to their expertise.
I use the Z1 regularly now (but still don't know that darn camera!) and am considering purchasing a HDV for my personal use. The Cannon looks mighty tempting.
Reading the "press release" it looks mighty. And with Cannon optics, I wonder how it compares to Sony's Zeis glass.
Have there been any comparisons yet? (heh - yeah, well, the camera was just announced 24 hours ago...)
I know many folk have dismissed the JVC and I'll acquess to their expertise.
I use the Z1 regularly now (but still don't know that darn camera!) and am considering purchasing a HDV for my personal use. The Cannon looks mighty tempting.
filmy
wrote on 9/16/2005, 9:48 PM
Just an update on my post about the video - guess it was sort of a mistake on the part of Cannon, or whoever let the camera in to tape it. According to the website:
I hear that video taping of that presentation might not have been allowed and thus no video can be posted about it.
I like the "might not have been allowed" part.
I hear that video taping of that presentation might not have been allowed and thus no video can be posted about it.
I like the "might not have been allowed" part.
Edin1
wrote on 9/16/2005, 9:56 PM
Have you guys heard of Panasonic AG-HVX200?
It looks like a serious toy, has better quality, and more features we are all looking for. Panasonic to the rescue again?
Here is the link to their page:
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=93120&catGroupId=14571&modelNo=AG-HVX200&surfModel=AG-HVX200
You can click on their "Brochure" link to view the PDF file with more details (845kB file). I started reading it, and my mouth started watering, so I had to stop :-D
UPDATE: After my mouth stopped watering, I checked the limited specs. Here they are:
Pick-up Device: 1/3-inch 16:9 CCD x 3
(progressive modes supported)
Lens: Leica DICOMAR lens with optical image stabilizer,
motorized/manual mode switching
Optical Filter: ND Filters
Shooting Mode: 1080/60i, 30p, 24p,
720/60p, 30p, 24p,
480/60i, 30p, 24p
Gamma: Video, Cine-Like and News Gamma
Video Recording Format: DVCPRO HD/DVCPRO50/DVCPRO/DV switchable
Audio Recording Format: 48kHz/16bits PCM audio, max. of 4CH
Recording Media: P2 card (DVCPRO HD/DVCPRO50/DVCPRO/DV)
Mini-DV (DV only)
Input and Output: Composite In/Out, S-VIDEO In/Out, Component Out, MIC/LINE Input (XLR-3 x 2), Audio In/Out (RCA x 2), DC Input (7.9 V), Phones
Digital Interface: IEEE 1394, USB 2.0
Unfortunately, it doesn't allow using MiniDV tapes for HD recording, but it does allow higher quality recording, and more modes than Sony's and Canon's HD camcorders in this range (pricey for getting the higher quality, though).
It looks like a serious toy, has better quality, and more features we are all looking for. Panasonic to the rescue again?
Here is the link to their page:
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=93120&catGroupId=14571&modelNo=AG-HVX200&surfModel=AG-HVX200
You can click on their "Brochure" link to view the PDF file with more details (845kB file). I started reading it, and my mouth started watering, so I had to stop :-D
UPDATE: After my mouth stopped watering, I checked the limited specs. Here they are:
Pick-up Device: 1/3-inch 16:9 CCD x 3
(progressive modes supported)
Lens: Leica DICOMAR lens with optical image stabilizer,
motorized/manual mode switching
Optical Filter: ND Filters
Shooting Mode: 1080/60i, 30p, 24p,
720/60p, 30p, 24p,
480/60i, 30p, 24p
Gamma: Video, Cine-Like and News Gamma
Video Recording Format: DVCPRO HD/DVCPRO50/DVCPRO/DV switchable
Audio Recording Format: 48kHz/16bits PCM audio, max. of 4CH
Recording Media: P2 card (DVCPRO HD/DVCPRO50/DVCPRO/DV)
Mini-DV (DV only)
Input and Output: Composite In/Out, S-VIDEO In/Out, Component Out, MIC/LINE Input (XLR-3 x 2), Audio In/Out (RCA x 2), DC Input (7.9 V), Phones
Digital Interface: IEEE 1394, USB 2.0
Unfortunately, it doesn't allow using MiniDV tapes for HD recording, but it does allow higher quality recording, and more modes than Sony's and Canon's HD camcorders in this range (pricey for getting the higher quality, though).
farss
wrote on 9/17/2005, 2:41 AM
I don't know what some of these reviewers are smoking but here's Canons specs:
Under the "HDV1080i" (HDV) specifications, 1440 x 1080 (16:9) images in 60 fields (or 50 fields for PAL*) are recorded. (60i/50i recording)
Under the "HDV1080i" (HDV) specifications, 1440 x 1080 (16:9) images in 30 frames (or 25 frames for PAL*) are recorded. (30F/25F recording)
Under the "HDV1080i" (HDV) specifications, 1440 x 1080 (16:9) images in 24 frames are recorded. (24F recording)
The last line was further explained as they're using a switchable scanning system to either scan the CCDs in progressive or interlaced.
Note also the camera will have an optional HDD recorder to record HDCAM, no doubt that will not be cheap but sure beats HD squashed into DVCPro 50 anyday and you'll be able to edit the footage in Vegas directly off the drives, no need to break the bank on P2 cards and readers.
Add to that interchangeable glass of Canon quality and me thinks this is going to be the camera to beat at that price point. Hopefully Canon have got the issues sorted with their lenses. At least recording to HDD you'll avoid some of the other issues Canon have had with transport problems.
The other thing I do like is the option to shoot either 50 or 60i by fitting an option card, that ability on the Z1 / A1 is very useful, glad to see Canon also offering that.
Bob.
Under the "HDV1080i" (HDV) specifications, 1440 x 1080 (16:9) images in 60 fields (or 50 fields for PAL*) are recorded. (60i/50i recording)
Under the "HDV1080i" (HDV) specifications, 1440 x 1080 (16:9) images in 30 frames (or 25 frames for PAL*) are recorded. (30F/25F recording)
Under the "HDV1080i" (HDV) specifications, 1440 x 1080 (16:9) images in 24 frames are recorded. (24F recording)
The last line was further explained as they're using a switchable scanning system to either scan the CCDs in progressive or interlaced.
Note also the camera will have an optional HDD recorder to record HDCAM, no doubt that will not be cheap but sure beats HD squashed into DVCPro 50 anyday and you'll be able to edit the footage in Vegas directly off the drives, no need to break the bank on P2 cards and readers.
Add to that interchangeable glass of Canon quality and me thinks this is going to be the camera to beat at that price point. Hopefully Canon have got the issues sorted with their lenses. At least recording to HDD you'll avoid some of the other issues Canon have had with transport problems.
The other thing I do like is the option to shoot either 50 or 60i by fitting an option card, that ability on the Z1 / A1 is very useful, glad to see Canon also offering that.
Bob.
farss
wrote on 9/17/2005, 3:09 AM
Another overlooked feature is you will be able to run full camera control from a laptop via the 1394 port, think poor mans remote CCU, that makes this a serious contender for OB work, combined with external genlock inputs.
And better still, the HD SDI output is 4.2.2 which kind of blows even HDCAM out of the water (well OK, apart from the glass and the CCDs). I guess it helps not having a broadcast division to worry about loosing sales.
Just to clarify one point, the CCDs are always scanned in interlaced mode however in 24F, 25F and 30F mode the two fields are at the same point in time so the result is true progressive, the shutter opens only 24/35/30 times per second, same thing is done in CineAlta cameras.
The "F" designation is a modification of the "PsF" ITU nomenclature, using that standard the only video camera that records "p" is the Varicam, as it writes discreet frames to tape.
Bob.
And better still, the HD SDI output is 4.2.2 which kind of blows even HDCAM out of the water (well OK, apart from the glass and the CCDs). I guess it helps not having a broadcast division to worry about loosing sales.
Just to clarify one point, the CCDs are always scanned in interlaced mode however in 24F, 25F and 30F mode the two fields are at the same point in time so the result is true progressive, the shutter opens only 24/35/30 times per second, same thing is done in CineAlta cameras.
The "F" designation is a modification of the "PsF" ITU nomenclature, using that standard the only video camera that records "p" is the Varicam, as it writes discreet frames to tape.
Bob.