OT: Difficult copyright issue.

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farss wrote on 12/23/2003, 7:10 PM
You need to read Freeplays terms in full!

I'll admit it's very confusing and I nearly fell in the same trap.
In most cases you don't have to pay sync fees and you can use it in MOST things for free. But they still aren't running a charity.

If it gets national broadcast they pickup their money from ASCAP or whoever so you still need to include it in the cue sheets for your program. If it's local only broadcast you need to pay sync fees.

That's the little I could nut out from it, seems like a sensible business model for what they are selling. Looks like the idea is they get a slice of the action if there's money to be made without holding back anyone from having a go.

Obviously we're not talking about top 40 material here, but what is there is very high quality.

If nothing else it shows how carfully you have to read things.
Matt_Iserman wrote on 12/23/2003, 8:51 PM
Hi Filmy,

Further down on the page is this...

"Internet Usage
Using Freeplay music on the internet to promote a website that is selling or promoting a product, business or service, requires a license. Using Freeplay music for a personal website is fine, provided no revenues are associated with its use - e.g. no banner ads."

Thus, why I contacted them...
kameronj wrote on 12/24/2003, 6:33 AM
Filmy,

No you didn't miss anything - it was more on me for not reading all of the thread. So I probalby posted something that had already been said - or didn't respond to something.

I just got hung up (briefly) on the opening post - and cringed. I started to read an article (link in another post) regarding copyrights...and cringed before I finished the first paragraph (the part about copyrights and copyright laws are there to make sure people don't make copies.....this is sooooooooo not true).

So....Sorry if I confussed the point. After the holidays, I'll probably read the entire thread.

Happy Holiday.

Merry Christmas to all and to all "shaken not stirred!!"
filmy wrote on 12/24/2003, 7:09 AM
They must have changed a few things in their agreement. None of that was there a year, or more, ago. I know the whole BMI/ASCAP thing is there but that was/is something that, in the past, Freeplay didn't collect directly. The agreeement I posted was their agreement over a year ago - free was free, in any and all media worldwide, internet included. I did read the agreement in full and clearly they changed their way of working from when I used them last. Wonder why they went from free to pay?
RichMacDonald wrote on 12/25/2003, 10:52 AM
>Look up the word hypocrite SPOT. Quickly.

Interestingly, Billy Boy, your site illustrates a key issue in the copyright debate. I mean, I was all for being able to take someone's work and alter it for my own purposes, but when I heard your butchering of the Platter's "The Great Pretenders", I realized how naive I had been. Bet they'd be *really pissed* if they found out.

>Like you grabbed my tutorials UNASKED and linked to them on your site? When did you get my permission to do that?

He didn't have to. Put 'em out there and they're fair game. Did you place a copyright notice onto your pages? A 'no-spiders' flag? Does the wayback machine need to get our permission when it archives our internet embarrassments for all time? Does google need your permission to link you under "Billy Boy" + Vegas? (Actually, it links to someone *else* who links to you. I kept looking but quit after I ran into a Silky Smooth Asian Xotic dancing boy has also does sensual and relaxing massages.)
farss wrote on 12/25/2003, 11:22 AM
Well it's still basicaly free and I suspect what they're saying now is the same as what was implied in the previous terms, just that now they're spelling it all out.

In part it's a little contradictory. On the one hand they're saying if your work at the time of creation is not intended to be commercial in nature (just for festival release) then no sync fees are payable but if it becomes commercial then they want a slice of the action which to my mind is an excellent idea.

But if its only for regional television or use by a NPO then sync fees are payable. As I understand the situation you must pay sync fees if they are payable before you even make the copy into your project / download the files.

I'd say a lot of people don't know precisely where their work is going to end up if anywhere until well after it's finished so this could leave you in a quandary. Fortunately they sound like a sensible operation, I'd imagine so long as you contacted them to get the necessary licences before the thing goes to air or is played publicly then they'd be happy.

I'd still think it wise to speak to them upfront so you have an understanding as to what the fees are going to be before the event.
BillyBoy wrote on 12/25/2003, 11:31 AM
Even on Christmas, the same handful of mindless critics trying to sling mud. Nice going Rich, you got so much class.