OT: Hack Zoom H2 or buy clip-on mic?

VMP wrote on 5/26/2016, 11:23 PM
Basically I want $150 (max) clip-on mic system a.s.a.p.

I have a Zoom H2 recorder so a good quality clip-on mic for it would be great.

I have two options in my mind at this moment:

1. Discounted Sony ECM-166BMP lav mic is for sale for $65, but have no idea if it is compatible with H2 (have to call the store tomorrow)

2. Found a second Zoom H2 for sale for $80 (second hand).

This is what I am thinking: I could take that second Zoom H2 apart, extend the wire of one of the mic and use it as a clip on mic.
This is how the mics look like inside the H2:

Maybe I could even take out one of the mics and use it as a plug-in-clip on for my original Zoom H2? That would result in having two person clip-on mic systems.

My questions are, would the H2 zoom mics be any good when placed so near as a clip ons?

If so would I have to use shielded wires to extend the mic? The picture above shows that the mics doesn't use shielded wires.

As an extra option I could buy a new Zoom H1 and hack that, that's below $100 too.

If not, what would you do? Any tips for another good mic for that price range?


Note: H2 doesn't have phantom power but it does have 'plug-in' power:
"The mic input can provide "plug-in power" to small electret microphones that need it. That low voltage current can be turned on and off in the utility menu. It’s important to note that the Zoom H2 can NOT provide 48 volt "phantom power" to professional condenser mics"




John_Cline wrote on 5/27/2016, 4:42 AM
You want something like this:

Audio-Technica ATR-35S-Pro Lapel Mic

Hacking your Zoom H2 recorders is almost certainly going to produce substandard results, if it works at all. Amazon has many lavalier/lapel mics with plug-in power, some as cheap as $6.
Byron K wrote on 5/27/2016, 5:11 AM
Rather than trashing the built in mics, just get a stereo breakout adapter and use one mic on each channel.

Breakout adapter Price: $5.72
Mic Price: $24.95
craftech wrote on 5/27/2016, 8:04 AM
You might want to stick with Right Angle 1/8" at the input for safety.

You could get a breakout adapter like this one and then use adapters at the ends.

Whatever you do, don't spend so much money that it costs the same as a new recorder.

VMP wrote on 5/27/2016, 10:07 AM

Thanks guys much appreciated!!

rraud wrote on 5/27/2016, 10:27 AM
Any regular plug-in powered lav should work with the H2 (providing the power is engaged in the H2's software menu). I've used my G2/3 transmitter mics, (Countryman, Tram, OST, Sanken) and they work w/o issue... though the bungled Sennheiser mics molded-on plug's locking ring does not retract sufficiently to be inserted enough, but other locking plugs from Switchcraft and NecTec work as would a standard 3.5mm plug, though it will only feed one channel w/o an adapter.
VMP wrote on 5/27/2016, 7:51 PM
Thanks rraud,

I just bought the JK Mic-J 044 it sounds as good as the Sennheiser ME 2 EW-Series.

If I connect the output of the Zoom to a mini FM transmitter then I can monitor it wirelessly from a distance too! :- )
Using my mini Sony Walkman/FM radio and phones as the receiver.

Cheap Lavalier Microphone Test - Sennheiser ME2 vs 5 Cheap Mics

musicvid10 wrote on 5/28/2016, 9:31 AM
By the time you've pieced this all together and found out it doesn't meet your expectations, you will have exceeded the price of a decent Sennheiser wireless lapel system. Find 'em on eBay for $200+, but if they're older, don't buy "D" band, and check the frequency finder on the site for your local TV interference.

VMP wrote on 5/28/2016, 2:28 PM
Thanks for the feedback musicvid :-),

Until now I have spent an amount below $100, but you are right the price can fly high even for these DIY systems.

I am saving up for a new the Sennheiser EW 112P G3-B wireless system. So this is a temp solution.

New system because I tried searching on ebay.com but couldn't find anything below the price of a new system here in Europe. If I import anything from America it's gonna get high tax rates on top of it.

Thank you for the frequency finder tip!.
I just did a search via: http://www.frequencyfinder.eu/

These channels and freq are shown to be fine on that site.

Channel 41 Freq 630-638 MHz
Channel 42 Freq 638-646 MHz

I think it is a safe bet also considering the frequency to buy it from this local store:

What is your experience with the Sony wireless system compared to the Sennheiser?

According to the video below they say the Sennheiser is 'flimsy' and that the Sony is much more durable:

Skip to 2:40

They talk about the Sennheiser AVX system too.

musicvid10 wrote on 6/2/2016, 7:54 PM
You won't find many Sony's in theaters, Sennheiser mic plugs have some problems, and Shure is ridiculously expensive. Stay away from Countryman e6 mic elements -- they break.
John_Cline wrote on 6/2/2016, 11:07 PM
In the world of wireless microphones, there is Lectrosonics and then there is everyone else.
DGates wrote on 6/2/2016, 11:50 PM
"...you will have exceeded the price of a decent Sennheiser wireless lapel system. Find 'em on eBay for $200+, but if they're older, don't buy "D" band..."

I thought it was the 'C' band that had been reallocated to emergency services?
John_Cline wrote on 6/3/2016, 1:56 AM
In the U.S., you should be safe if you don't buy a wireless system that uses frequencies above 566 Mhz.