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[r]Evolution wrote on 3/1/2008, 5:25 PM
Hell froze over for me years ago.
Having & knowing both platforms has been nothing but rewarding for me. Jobs that I had to pass up in the past because I was on the wrong platform... I have been able to accept. Also, knowing other NLE's opens up your creativity. I've found myself duplicating and creating variants of FX from other NLE's.

There's also some things other NLE's do better than others. Depending on your project you can now better plan your edit based on what needs to be done. For me, this means more time at The Beach: With Family: More Jobs: More Money: etc.

I would suggest that you start looking at Plug-Ins & FX that will plugin to all of your NLE's so your workflow/ideas won't cramp trying to constantly change gears. For me... Boris RED is Huge for this reason.

Now you can see & understand what people are talking about when they mention the Strengths & Weaknesses of other NLE's. It really aggravates me when I see people bad mouthing an NLE that they have never used.
p@mast3rs wrote on 3/1/2008, 5:31 PM
I will say this. Motion pulls an amazing key rather easily. I always stayed away from Apple because of the cost and the unknown. I think the biggest feature for me was being able to use XP on the same machine. If this works out well for me, I may go for one of the dual quads later this year.

Lost to learn thats for sure. Thank god I have a Lynda.com account to learn everything I need to know.
farss wrote on 3/1/2008, 5:37 PM
I've been almost tempted to try this.
I've got an old G5 case, could be good for a laugh.

Bob.
p@mast3rs wrote on 3/1/2008, 6:32 PM
I tried that first and couldnt get it to work, hence thats why I actually bought a Mac.
QueenGeek wrote on 3/1/2008, 7:01 PM
Oh wait... I been wanting a Mac for some time, but the thing holding me back has been all the $$ i have sunk in Vegas and all my projects. I thought it only ran on Windows. Am I hearing that it runs on the Mac too? If so, <happy dance> in progress... :) :) :)
Cliff Etzel wrote on 3/1/2008, 7:07 PM
I was able to install and run 10.4.8 hackintosh on my AMD system. Everything except the built in ethernet and my PCI Raid card were seen. I installed one of the supported Netgear 10/100 cards and was up and running. Debated on what to do about the raid setup since it has all my video files.

I've recently debated whether to give it a another try just to make sure before I dump alot of money into another expensive hardware platform. I've played with FCP 5.x and it was familiar due to having worked with Premiere Pro, but I have issues with having to translate everything into Quicktime files for FCP. I could use my AVI's, but FCP didn't like that idea and suggested logging the tapes again natively.

Big pain.

Cliff Etzel - Immersive Video Journalist
bluprojekt | ImmersiveVJcom
Serena wrote on 3/1/2008, 7:28 PM
Cineform will re-wrap files from .avi to .mov (very rapidly, I understand), but this is helpful only if you're using that software.
farss wrote on 3/1/2008, 7:43 PM
Might pay to check exactly where they are with this. Last time I looked they could rewrap to QT but hadn't got the actual codec working with OSX / FCP.

Bob.
Bill Ravens wrote on 3/1/2008, 8:33 PM
ROFLMAO
Great thread
Serena wrote on 3/1/2008, 8:38 PM
Bob,
On a quick re-check it reads to be up and running on MAC Intel OSX.
Coursedesign wrote on 3/1/2008, 8:53 PM
Nice also to have some other key stuff built-in, like motion tracking and stabilization, optical flow for better quality slo-mo, particle-based paint, 3D cameras and lights, etc.

For plug-ins, FxFactory Pro is awesome. Lots of GPU-accelerated plug-ins ready to rock, and if some day you need a unique plug-in, you can build it yourself without writing any code. These all work in both FCP and Motion (and even the $199 Final Cut Express).

For learning what you need to know of OS X, I recommend "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual, Leopard Edition" (or its Tiger equivalent) by David Pogue. It focuses on where the differences are and explains them clearly.

As soon as you've learned the basics, get "Mac OS X: The Missing Manual" by David Pogue, an exceptional resource that is also very clear and easy to read.

Amen to being "ambidextrous" when it comes to NLEs, it really makes a difference to be able to pick the best tool for each project, and sometimes that will be Vegas, sometimes it will be FCS.

Bill Ravens wrote on 3/1/2008, 9:08 PM
"Amen to being "ambidextrous" when it comes to NLEs, it really makes a difference to be able to pick the best tool for each project, and sometimes that will be Vegas, sometimes it will be FCS".


yeppers
Cheno wrote on 3/1/2008, 9:11 PM
I agree - if you're impressed with Motion's built in keyer, Patrick - try the demo of DVMatte Pro 3 from dvgarage.com - WOW. Real time and puts most other keyers to bed. I love keylight in AE though but DVMatte is amazing.

cheno
deusx wrote on 3/1/2008, 9:16 PM
>>>Hell has frozen over<<<

nah, it's just your new OSX freezing up once a day.
Coursedesign wrote on 3/1/2008, 9:45 PM
OSX freezing up once a day

Sounds like you need to get your Mac to the nearest Genius Bar!

:O)
DGates wrote on 3/1/2008, 10:16 PM
Good for you. Even though I'm still on a PC, the FCS2 bundle is without a doubt the best bang for the buck out there.
farss wrote on 3/2/2008, 1:41 AM
Excellent.
I've only been trying to follow Prospect2K RAW. Almost there under FCP. Editing OK, no Look control within FCP as yet.
Bob.
QueenGeek wrote on 3/2/2008, 4:39 AM
OK. I give up. I just looked at the system requirements for Vegas and it mentions nothing about Macs. Only Windows XP and Vista. How do you run Vegas on a Mac?
DGates wrote on 3/2/2008, 4:59 AM
With Boot Camp. It allows you to install Windows XP on a Mac.

deusx wrote on 3/2/2008, 6:11 AM
>>>>>Sounds like you need to get your Mac to the nearest Genius Bar!<<<<

Genius Bar?

I take my machines directly to OZ.

They use a more accurate way to measure genius levels.

A single munchkin has to have a genius IQ to be labeled a genius, apple adds up IQs of all the personnel working at a bar, then if it exceeds 140, they cerify it as a Genius bar.

You can see how that could be considered cheating, or as some may call it ,a classic Apple move.
JJKizak wrote on 3/2/2008, 6:24 AM
Bootcamp or Parallels.
JJK
RNLVideo wrote on 3/2/2008, 8:32 AM
QueenGeek -

As noted, Vegas doesn't run natively on Mac, but it does so through Bootcamp (what I use), or likely through Parallels. Bootcamp is the equivilent of a dual boot - You install a fresh version of Windows on the Mac and have the choice when you boot up.

I've got Vista Ultmate running on my MacBookPro and I love it (and spend 90% or more of my time in Vista :) ). Vegas runs like a champ and I'm also running the Windows version of Adobe CS3 Master Collection on it.
p@mast3rs wrote on 3/2/2008, 9:33 AM
I tried Bootcamp this morning and got Vista Ultimate to install and after rebooting, inserted my apple install disc for the drivers and only saw two options to install (CD/DVD sharing and airport extreme driver.) Did I do something wrong?

Also, whats a good partition size for Vista if I am running the full install of FCS2 and Adobe CS3 Master in OSX?
Cheno wrote on 3/2/2008, 10:30 AM
Don't know what the exact drivers you need from the OSX disc for Vista would be - In fact, don't think I've updated them on my laptop (XP) since upgrading to Leopard. Just don't use the PC side of the laptop that often.

As far as partition - really depends on what you're going to use most - If you're confindent you'll be on FCP / CS3 on the mac side, give it as much as you can to that. I'm not impressed with Premiere Pro on the Mac right now so if you're a Premiere guy, you may want to test that out and leave a decent partition on the PC side for PP and Vegas. I've only got 10 gigs dedicated to the PC and use all external drives when editing on the laptop but really only use it for Vegas training or if I have to capture something live on location for test purposes.

cheno