OT: How to get >4 IDE internal drives in PC?

ken c wrote on 8/7/2006, 6:10 AM
Hi - sorry for the ot hardware related question, but does anyone know if it's possible to install more than 4 internal IDE hard drives in a pc?

I have this monster Lian Li case, with drive bays for a dozen internal drives, but my knowledge of IDE cabling is just that I know how to put 4 drives in my pc.. I have an Asus P4C motherboard.

Is there some internal PCI card that can drive more IDE drives? or other solution?

I kind of gave up on external drives as reliable for using with Vegas video renders, because of all the problems/drive fails, so now I just use them for archive, or for moving files from one pc to another etc..

So I've got 4 300-400 gig internal drives already installed, but as you all know, the avi files for video render projects can get huge, and I've got 3 12-DVD projects in the works and more on the way...

thx much,

Ken

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farss wrote on 8/7/2006, 6:19 AM
Just buy an IDE controller and some cables.
Well hopefully the power supply can cope.
And make certain you keep them cool enough.

Bob.
AlanC wrote on 8/7/2006, 7:15 AM
Bob

I didn't know you could have more than four IDE drives. I thought you had to use SCSI drives for this.

Alan
Chienworks wrote on 8/7/2006, 7:20 AM
We've had 8 IDE drives installed, 4 going to the two ATA/100 ports on the motherboard, and 4 more going to an IDE PCI card. I don't know what the limit is, but i suspect if your power supply is strong enough and you have enough slots available you could probably get up to 32 IDE drives connected. You might have to do something fancy with RAID though since DOS/Windows only supports 31 drive letters, and some of those will probably be dedicated to your floppy and optical drives.
AlanC wrote on 8/7/2006, 7:27 AM
Thanks Kelly, I wish I'd known that 5 years ago. Strange how you pick up little snippets of mis-information and never question it!

By the way, what's a floppy drive? :~)

Alan
John_Cline wrote on 8/7/2006, 7:39 AM
"By the way, what's a floppy drive? :~)"

I believe it's a Sunday outing with the family in a car with worn-out shock absorbers. I could be wrong.

John
ken c wrote on 8/7/2006, 7:43 AM
hey thanks all.. looks like I get to buy something new from newegg.com ...

let me know if any ideas on which IDE PCI card works best..

yeah I got a monster power supply, and it has 5 fans in the pc case, I built it to last... and temps have been low ever since, which is great..

also thx farss (?) for that external drive/usb connector w/power supply frombytecc suggestion, got one, haven't used it yet, but looks like a great tool, to run HDs externally, for temp backups/transfers.. got one from newegg...


ken
riredale wrote on 8/7/2006, 9:09 AM
I have a half-dozen hard drives in my case, with 4 connecting via a PCI card.

If you're really planning on doing lots of projects, you can either use additional external drives (connected ideally through Firewire) or you can use those hard drive caddies that slide into a slot in the front of your PC. This is a very inexpensive way of increasing utility, since the individual plastic drive enclosures are only about $15. Traditionally, your PC needs to be turned off to do a swap, but maybe some newer designs allow for hot-swapping.
Jay-Hancock wrote on 8/7/2006, 10:48 AM
Ken:
You might want to hold off a little bit before you buy a card. I have an old IDE ATA 100 Promise Ultra card that I don't use anymore. Hopefully it didn't hit the trash yet. I can look for it and if I find it I would send it to you for whatever it costs to mail the thing. (I'll be embarrassed if it turns out that I can't find the thing, but I'll be happy to try. I know it works just fine...)
wwaag wrote on 8/7/2006, 10:53 AM
If you're going to add additional drives, you might consider getting a raid card instead. Then you could create a couple of striped raid arrays and the peformance of your drives would be a lot greater. E.g. I just ran Sandra on one of internal drives with a avg read speed of about 52MB/s. For my raid array, the average jumped to 92MB/s. You can get the same amount of storage, except that your read/write times will be faster. Just a suggestion.

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Jay-Hancock wrote on 8/7/2006, 11:11 AM
If you're really planning on doing lots of projects, you can either use additional external drives (connected ideally through Firewire) or you can use those hard drive caddies that slide into a slot in the front of your PC. This is a very inexpensive way of increasing utility, since the individual plastic drive enclosures are only about $15. Traditionally, your PC needs to be turned off to do a swap, but maybe some newer designs allow for hot-swapping.

By Asus P4C I assume you mean P4C800 (?). That mobo has onboard RAID capability for both IDE and SATA, thus you wouldn't need a new RAID card. If using only a couple of drives, you'd need to spend a lot of $ to get better RAID performance that the onboard RAID (because most low-budget RAID cards are actually software controlled by drivers).

For external drives, eSATA actually is incredibly faster than Firewire or USB, but this particular mobo doesn't have eSATA (though you can buy adapters for it, but budget is always a factor).

SATA drives are hot swappable, but sometimes the OS will get confused about drive letters.

If all you're wanting to do is make use of some old IDE drives that you have on hand and not spend much cash, an IDE controller card can fit the bill just fine. (Pun intended...) And riredale's suggestion of those plastic caddies is good too, because you can use those old drives to archive projects than file them away..
TeetimeNC wrote on 8/7/2006, 1:01 PM
Try setting up your external drives as NTFS mounted drives. Each mounts up into the empty NTFS folder you assign it to. I had the same problem you describe until I changed to this approach and the externals now ALWAYS show up in the assigned spot. I even use this for my USB camera card reader - always mounts to My Incoming Photos folder under My Pictures.

>>SATA drives are hot swappable, but sometimes the OS will get confused about drive letters.

Jerry

GenJerDan wrote on 8/8/2006, 4:53 AM
By Asus P4C I assume you mean P4C800 (?). That mobo has onboard RAID capability for both IDE and SATA...

Not all P4C800 models. I think just the "Deluxe". (My wife and I both have the ASUS boards...mine has the IDE RAID, hers doesn't.)
kentwolf wrote on 8/8/2006, 2:25 PM
>>let me know if any ideas on which IDE PCI card works best..

I am running 10 drives in my tower.

I have found that a Maxtor brand card works best in that I tried I think an Adaptec card and it put the card-attached drives in a very illogical order boot-wise (first). And this could not be changed.

The Maxtor card I found put the drives in a logical boot order (last) and I personally found this to be much more satisfactory.