OT: JVC Announces Two 1080p60 Full HD Models

Guy Bruner wrote on 1/30/2008, 4:59 AM
Later today, JVC will show their new HD Everios at PMA08. Some notable features include:

* Three 1/5", 16:9 CCDs
* 4-way pixel shift to reach full-hd resolution
* New video processor
* Records to HDD or microSD card
* 10x Fujinon HD lens
* x.v.Color recording and output via HDMI 1.3 @ 30 Mbps, max, M2TS

You can read more about them here

Guy

Comments

blink3times wrote on 1/30/2008, 5:09 AM
Mmmm.... I don't know. They SOUND pretty good, but I have never been too sold on this pixel shift stuff. IMO, there is no sense going full HD if you haven't the pixels to back it up.

We'll see what the reviews say.
craftech wrote on 1/30/2008, 5:15 AM
More puny imager cameras that need stadium lights to produce quality video. The entire phenomenon of shrinking or removing the important parts of a camera like imager size and little wheels and knobs drives me crazy. The Panasonic consumer 3CCD cameras are a classic example. They get rated higher than the others as the lesser of evils because instead of a single 1/5 or 1/6 imager they put three of them in there which brought them up to the light gathering ability of the common cheap 1/4 CCD cameras of only a few years ago. Add a little focus wheel which virtually every camera used to have and you would have a "breakthrough".

Even the $3000 Sony HDR-FX7 3 CMOS camera only has a (3) 1/4 CMOS imager as opposed to the VX2000 that had (3) 1/3 CCDs for less money a few years ago.

John
farss wrote on 1/30/2008, 5:39 AM
I could not agree more.

Bob.
Jeff9329 wrote on 1/30/2008, 7:44 AM
...I have never been too sold on this pixel shift stuff. IMO, there is no sense going full HD if you haven't the pixels to back it up...
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Pixel shifting is common on even the full size 1/3 sensor high end cameras and not too big of a deal.

It's the tiny sensors, tiny optics, poor sound & lack of manual controls that is a joke.

I would like to try one though, just to see how well the image holds up against my XH-A1(which is pixel shifted/rectangular pixels) which is too large to take a lot of places.
Guy Bruner wrote on 1/30/2008, 2:11 PM
Yep, small 1/5" sensors make for lack of sensitivity. However, pixel shift is, as Jeff says, quite common, and necessary with 3CCD systems. The JVC uses 960x540 pixel progressive chips. The pixel shift is very similar to what Panasonic does with the HVX200 (same number of pixels but larger chips). Progressive CCDs run hot at 60p and the more pixels per chip, the hotter. Pixel shift helps with that. That is what gives large full-HD CMOS chips an advantage.

I've bemoaned the loss of manual controls in each new camcorder line for years. It is good to see that JVC hasn't quite given up. Putting out $1000 camcorders with no mic or headphones jacks is ludicrous. I know the pros scoff because sound quality isn't as high as on pro gear. But, being forced to use the internal mics or an external audio recorder is inexcusable in this price range.
Jeff9329 wrote on 1/31/2008, 8:25 AM
...I've bemoaned the loss of manual controls in each new camcorder line for years. It is good to see that JVC hasn't quite given up. Putting out $1000 camcorders with no mic or headphones jacks is ludicrous. I know the pros scoff because sound quality isn't as high as on pro gear. But, being forced to use the internal mics or an external audio recorder is inexcusable in this price range...
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Exactly, how tough can it be to put 1/8" mini jacks on a camera?

To a lesser extent, same applies to manual controls. They could at least bury them in the menu system since there is little exterior real estate for them.

If these little cameras did have manual controls, there is little doubt you could get excellent video in the optimum lighting conditions. Would be a bit hard to control though, being so small.

If there were such a thing as a smaller Canon XH-A1, even with a little less control, it would be perfect.