OT (maybe): FLASH + Apple + iPhone & Creativity .

Grazie wrote on 9/19/2010, 5:35 AM
Oh so THAT'S what it is all about . . . .

So, here on my PC I have Apple's Safari. I have Flash-readers and I can use it to read all those creative do dats that happen around the planet. All those wunderfool Vegas made QT-ed items - marvellous!

I get my iPhone, I want to browse through the IKEA website for some funky stuff and guess what: "This device doesn't not support Flash" - eh? What's all that about??

I do my very first surf regarding The Jobs and the Apple and so on and I start to realise that there is a block on Flash for the iPhone? All that creative stuff and I can't access it through the iPhone? But but but wait Lassie, isn't PS made and designed by Adobe work with the apple system - Ruff Ruff - I thought so Lassie . . Well then, isn't Flash out of Adobe - Ruff! Ruff! - I see lassie . . . Then what is it that is blocking Flash from playing on my APPLE iPHONE?? - It's Ruff lassie. well ruff . . .


Yeah, I did read about the SDK from Apple not playing nice with "others".

So, I can - gratefully - make my MP4s from within Vegas and play them on my iPhone, but it looks like I can't make Flash nor visit a Flash-rich website (if you have an iPnhone please do try the IKEA site and read the polite notice from them and then follow-up inside your iPhone as you try and download Flash from Adobe. Job-well done . . . )

"I'm a Creative, and I want it all!"

Grazie

ps: Apple? Once bitten into the Apple, twice . . . wary . .

And yes, the iPhone is quite remarkable.




Comments

farss wrote on 9/19/2010, 7:25 AM
"Then what is it that is blocking Flash from playing on my APPLE iPHONE??"

What makes you think it's YOUR iPhone?


Bob.
Harold Brown wrote on 9/19/2010, 7:38 AM
Grazie,
Did you just leap into the future and miss the past 3 years?
Chienworks wrote on 9/19/2010, 8:38 AM
Ha! Ion TV just showed that trilogy yesterday.
Chienworks wrote on 9/19/2010, 8:44 AM
Grazie, if you jailbreak your iPhone there are a few alternative flash players you can install.

On the other hand, why use an iPhone when the Droid does so much more without being limited by Apple's high ideals and customer-uncentric stance?

On the other other hand, i rarely flash anymore. I've got flash blockers on all my browsers. The web page *without* flash displayed had better wow me with some amazing reasons for me to want to see the embedded flash content or i'm just closing the window and moving on. Heck, if an online store can't show me their wares or services without flash i buy elsewhere.

Somewhere recently (i apologize for not remembering the reference) i read an article decrying modern web design and the author likened flash to the animated .gifs of the past. It seems a contest to make the page jump out and slap you as hard as it can, and the viewing audience will only take so much of it before moving on and avoiding such pages. We past that crest with animated images 10 years ago. Flash is crashing down over that crest now.
jabloomf1230 wrote on 9/19/2010, 6:20 PM
Yep, I don't miss Flash at with my iPhone. I suggest that people forget about it and move on to HTML 5.
Coursedesign wrote on 9/19/2010, 6:59 PM
Apple is who gets criticized if the mobile Flash experience is miserable on their platform.

Adobe's mobile Flash implementation is miserable on Android: the browser is immobilized for minutes even, and the user interface on web sites that are not specifically built for mobile phones is so frustrating to use that it's not practical.

Adobe is working feverishly to improve the code, and if they succeed they can provide it for iPhones as well (Apple recently changed their app guidelines to allow for stuff like this).

But don't expect non-mobile-optimized Flash web sites to be acceptable to use any time soon, if ever. On any mobile platform.

HTML5 is moving ahead much more quickly than anyone thought possible, that's the future (and increasingly the present).


And Android's "open" implementation has already been reigned in by Google (no carrier may sell Android phones that don't use Google's location engine, which is how they make money) and by Verizon on newer phone models (you must use Bing for searches, this was hardwired into Android in return for a $500M cash payment from Microsoftl; and you may only use Skype software over Verizon's for-fee 3G network, not over free Wi-Fi). Quite a walled garden already, at the same time that Apple opened up their App Store actually.
deusx wrote on 9/20/2010, 6:32 AM
HTML5 is garbage compared to flash. It can't do even 1/2 of what flash can do right now.

And whoever thinks HTML5 sites will be an improvement over crappy flash sites ( blame designers not flash ) is not thinking clearly or thinking at all. If companies or designers want to bombard you with annoying animations they'll simply do it with HTML5 too, so what's the difference. Actually I'll one up that and call whoever writes these articles about HTML vs. Flash idiots, because only those don't see that it has nothing to do with animated gifs, flash or HTML5 and it has everything to do with people who make sites. Michael Bay makes a crap movie, do you blame cameras and 3D apps used on the set?

Bottom line. Flash is far better and there is no need form HTML5 at all. If HTML5 ever becomes a real standard you'll simply have the same amount of crap thrown at you in HTML5.

As for phones, they should be for calling people and having a quick conversation that hopefully ends before you brain fries. Expecting a phone to run a complex game or a flash site is just as ridiculous as expecting fast render times on a 10 year old PC.
Coursedesign wrote on 9/20/2010, 8:59 AM
If HTML5 ever becomes a real standard you'll simply have the same amount of crap thrown at you in HTML5.

Sure, but you'll be able to stop the playback immediately, rather than waiting several minutes for a frozen GUI to finish digesting the swallowed 600 lb. pig of a non-mobile-optimized Flash web site.

I've gotten Adobe's Flash tools as part of their Creative Suites for a many many years, but every time I started using them, I was disgusted with how eminently unsuitable they were for video. Real video was just a hack, with internal workarounds that were gross. Today, the code is such a mess, that I don't think it will ever recover. It would need a total rewrite and internal redesign before that.

As for phones, they should be for calling people...

True, but today's smartphones allow you to NOT carry an extra still & HD video camera, media player, GPS unit with moving map display, sound recorder, notebook computer, ...

When I'm traveling, I even receive faxes on my phone, and I can log into my desktop computers from far away, with a usable GUI (by virtue of my fingers sliding the desktop while the cursor stays put, much easier that way).

Free Wi-Fi access at every Starbucks nationwide doesn't hurt either.

And every now and then I use it for phone calls too :O).

Coursedesign wrote on 9/20/2010, 10:30 AM
Even the blind are using smartphones now.

This allows them to send and receive text messages, use address books, surf the web, use e-mail, and much more.
richard-amirault wrote on 9/20/2010, 11:12 AM
Cool .. I suggest everyone click that link and read his story.
deusx wrote on 9/20/2010, 7:32 PM
>>>Sure, but you'll be able to stop the playback immediately, rather than waiting several minutes for a frozen GUI to finish digesting the swallowed 600 lb. pig of a non-mobile-optimized Flash web site.<<<<<

No you won't. HTML5 has just as much ( if not more ) potential to freeze your phone or PC. It all depends on what's on the page. Most of the HTML5 requires ridiculous workarounds and hacks and downloading of extra components just to do 1/2 of what flash can already do. It's is by no means anywhere close to what hype peddlers would want you to believe.

>>>True, but today's smartphones allow you to NOT carry an extra still & HD video camera, media player, GPS unit with moving map display, sound recorder, notebook computer<<<

Not if you care about quality and considering the quality of iPhone's actual phone it's more like a retarded phone than a smart phone. ( my wife has one, so I'm fully aware of how crappy it is as a phone ).