OT - Micro MV - tiny cameras??

vicmilt wrote on 11/27/2004, 9:05 AM
Searched the site but didn't really find anything useful for this question, so...

any thoughts on Micro MV format from Sony? Especially compared to MiniDV.

am looking for tiniest video/still camera (aren't we all) that still delivers quality footage to be intercut with standard DV stuff.

sort of remember import and/or edit problems with this format, but current advice needed. Also alternate suggestions camera-wise.

My old and trusty Sony PD1 has been sucessfully used in many a professional job, (you'd be TOTALLY amazed) but it's getting on in years, and I'm assuming that the intervening 5 years or so must have yielded superior weight, size and image quality.

Thoghts? Comments?

Comments

John_Cline wrote on 11/27/2004, 12:08 PM
MicroMV is relatively low-bitrate MPEG2 and is difficult to edit. Besides, it's a format that really hasn't taken off and probably won't be around for long. It is small though...

I'd just find the smallest MiniDV cam and go with that.

John
farss wrote on 11/27/2004, 3:15 PM
Tiny camera, HUGE problems.
Smaller cameras are in my opinion in any case difficult to get good shots with, the smaller and lighter the camer the harder it is to hold still.
If you need a good small camera for certain shots there's heaps of tiny cameras, all the way up to HD stuff with decent glass. All you need is add a seperate VCR, there's a more limited choice in that area but Sony have a few walkman VCRs for DV25 and D8.

Some of the security cameras make excellent video cameras, I've been looking at one with a built in DSP that can give you two shutter speeds in the one frame, brilliant stuff, means you can shoot a scene is a room with a window and have the interior and exterior correctly exposed.

Bob.
Laurence wrote on 11/27/2004, 6:31 PM
You can use the footage. Just convert each clip to a regular DV clip. If you've got a bunch do a batch render. It's not something I would get into if you don't already have one of these cameras, because of the extra steps, time and conversion artifacts, but you can do it in a pinch.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 11/27/2004, 8:01 PM
I was my understanding that Sony had dropped the Micro MV format because of customer complaints about the low quality. I would stay far, far, away from it. Get a miniDV camcorder.

~jr
kentwolf wrote on 11/27/2004, 8:27 PM
>>...I was my understanding that Sony had dropped the Micro MV format...

I also heard the same thing.
Steve Mann wrote on 11/27/2004, 10:30 PM
What is it you're trying to do? You can get a "lipstick" camera and plug it into the video input on your MiniDV camera.
farss wrote on 11/27/2004, 10:59 PM
Same here, some things just linger on, same with the DVD cameras. I had someone who works for Hitachi ask me how to edit stuff recorded on one of the Hitachi cameras, go figure !
Bob.
vicmilt wrote on 11/28/2004, 1:50 PM
I've got a bunch of "pro (sumer)" cameras, for the "real" work, but I'm still a film junkie at heart. Anytime I go anywhere, I generally have some sort of video camera with me. For the last bunch of years, it's been the Sony PD-1. The funny thing is that I've used footage from that tiny baby more times than I'd like to admit - intercut into "real" footage in high end professional work.

For instance - on a recent cruise ship video - the work day was over (10-12hrs of setups)- we (my crew and the clients) were all eating a cruise ship dinner (ok - it ain't ALL bad) and out of nowhere - all the waiters started to sing Italian arias. A wonderful moment - but NO way was I going to get back to the stateroom, unpack the PD170 and return to get the shot. PD1 to the rescue - and singing waiters get a 10 second sound bite accompanied by two/three seconds of usable footage. Grainy, mushy?? Sure by PD170 standards - but "absolutely usable" - you betcha.
So that camera is over five years old - and we all know that camera years are even faster than "dog" years. Surely there is something smaller, lighter and with a better set of chips out there for me???
Suggestions?? Anyone got that Panazonic 3 chip baby (it's TINY) - it looks great in the showroom - I"m just such a Sony loyalist.... Input please...
John_Cline wrote on 11/28/2004, 2:32 PM
Vic,

If you haven't been there, www.camcorderinfo.com is a very decent resource of comprehensive consume/prosumer camcorder reviews.

In the tiny camcorder market segment, I like the Sony DCR-PC350. A review can be found here:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Sony-DCR-PC350-Camcorder-Review.htm

John