OT: Orion Nebula Photo

Kimberly wrote on 10/27/2013, 8:55 PM
Totally off-topic but I wanted to share the picture my brother took last night of the Orion Nebula. This is the low-res photo he emailed to me. I asked him if he scanned it from an astronomy magazine. He said no, he froze out in his little observatory for several hours getting everything set-up just right.

He took it with his big Celestron with auto-guider and a Canon T2 I think.


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Chienworks wrote on 10/27/2013, 9:29 PM
Very nice! Congrats to him. :)
Duncan H wrote on 10/27/2013, 10:05 PM
Wonderful pic, sadly, it's a long way away, so I probably won't get to visit
riredale wrote on 10/27/2013, 10:22 PM
Holy cow, that is beautiful work for an amateur using amateur gear under an ocean of atmosphere.

When I was a kid, I built an 8" Newtonian that was a very good telescope. Ground the mirror for many weeks of frustration, rare moments of elation when looking through my crude Foucault tester (toilet paper roll, aluminum foil, razor blade) as the mirror neared completion and I made whisper-thin corrections measured in angstroms. But even in an 8" scope, all one sees are wisps of light below the belt stars. Here is what one typically sees, and even this is a time exposure--my naked eye never saw color in the clouds.
amendegw wrote on 10/28/2013, 5:11 AM
Beautiful image! Any idea about the exposure, ISO and size of the telescope?

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set wrote on 10/28/2013, 6:23 AM
Love it....
Thanks for sharing to us!

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Grazie wrote on 10/28/2013, 7:04 AM
Beautiful......

Kimberly wrote on 10/28/2013, 12:53 PM
[I]Any idea about the exposure, ISO and size of the telescope?[/I]

Edit: Taken with single four minute exposure through Celestron 11 and Canon XS camera at ISO 800 with an autoguider running the motor drive on the mount.

I'm pretty sure it was his Celestron. He has perhaps 15 telescopes, several of which he built himself. I'm not a telescope person, but he has been at it since we were kids and has become quite the amateur astronomer over the years:

richard-amirault wrote on 10/28/2013, 1:39 PM
... But even in an 8" scope, all one sees are wisps of light below the belt stars. Here is what one typically sees, and even this is a time exposure--my naked eye never saw color in the clouds.

I must disagree. I have poor low light eyesight, yet astronomy is one of my hobbies. Among my many scopes is a 12" Meade Lightbridge Dobsonian which has not seem much use. However previously I viewed the Orion Nebular in an 8" dob and could see a definite green color in it. I was somewhat surprised, since green is not the color you see in pics.
Kimberly wrote on 10/28/2013, 2:12 PM
@brighterside.

[I]Among my many scopes is a 12" Meade Lightbridge Dobsonian which has not seem much use.[/I]

Sounds like you would be a perfect astronomy colleague for my brother! He thinks you can never have too many telescopes. Of course admitting you have a problem is the first step to getting help, and he's not there yet : )
riredale wrote on 10/28/2013, 2:55 PM
That is a clever setup. No maintenance, platform isolated from the scope pier. But where to stand when observing? And more importantly, where to sit with a cup of hot chocolate while guiding?

If your brother is interested, I can offer a few stories about working my first job as a teen at Caltech. I was a go-fer for the department that maintained the Palomar and Mt. Wilson observatories. One night the astronomer allowed me to hold up my little 35mm Konica rangefinder camera to the Coude' eyepiece of the Palomar 200" telescope while it was tracking a guide star. I have that slide somewhere. I was allowed to look through the eyepiece for a few seconds--just a gigantic bright bluish blur, dancing around due to the atmosphere. The Coude' focus was used as a guiding device while the actual "photography" took place at the prime focus, as I recall (it was a looong time ago).

For many years the 200" scope (nearly 17 feet in diameter!) was the world's largest. One can get an idea of the size of the thing by noting the size of the observer in the lower-left part of the graphic, at the Coude' observation point.
Barry W. Hull wrote on 10/28/2013, 4:47 PM
Always the interesting things I learn about on this Vegas forum...
Serena Steuart wrote on 10/28/2013, 9:14 PM
That's a nice photo of Orion and an example of what modern equipment allows an amateur to easily achieve. Today anyone with a small scope can make images that a couple of decades ago required the best of astronomical gear and skills. The Orion is very bright and you'll have noted that the centre is over-exposed in the image. The dynamic range is impossibly beyond single imaging equipment so the usual technique is to use masks to combine images of different exposure times. With binoculars you can easily see the Orion Nebula, but as a grey cloud and not in the colour and detail shown in the photo. If anyone wants to try just set your DSLR on a tripod with, say, a 135mm lens at f/2.8 800ISO, and take a set of 10s exposures (say 30). Align in Photoshop and add. Obviously won't be as detailed as one taken through astro equipment, but you might be surprised at what can be achieved. Play around with the length of exposure to find a compromise between star trailing and focal length. There is a lot in the night sky that you can photograph with a DSLR, especially when you mount it on a simple tracker.
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That image is a combination of 100s and 10minute exposures at F/6. In the centre you can just see 4 closely located stars known as the trapesium (almost lost in highlights). When looking by eye Orion is where we see the centre of the 3 stars making up Orion's sword (or the handle of the pot, as we see it), so that "star" is actually the nebula.
john_dennis wrote on 10/28/2013, 9:29 PM
I'm impressed!

I see he used post and pier foundation for a quick getaway. Then when he loses interest in astronomy, he can use it as part of his deck. Like that's going to happen...
PeterDuke wrote on 10/29/2013, 9:33 AM
I stared at the stars (I like the alliteration) in both Kimberly's and Serena's photos but could not line them up. Then I flipped Serena's horizontally and rotated 90 degrees and BINGO!

Which one is back to front?
Serena Steuart wrote on 10/29/2013, 7:39 PM
In space, which way is up? Rotation is a matter of convention and how you see things depends where you're standing. But I should have flipped mine because it is a mirror image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_NebulaM42 and M43[/link]
PeterDuke wrote on 10/29/2013, 8:01 PM
Sorry Serena, but your new link doesn't work.
Serena Steuart wrote on 10/29/2013, 10:22 PM
Try that one.
PeterDuke wrote on 10/30/2013, 8:22 AM
Awesome!

I see a bright blue star which must be travelling towards us. I hope I am not around when it hits!
PeterDuke wrote on 10/30/2013, 8:32 AM
"But I should have flipped mine because it is a mirror image"

Image from a parallel universe, perhaps?
ChrisDolan (SCS) wrote on 10/30/2013, 12:42 PM
Nice. I got my PhD in astronomy studying young stars in Orion, so I declare this to be on-topic. :-)
Kimberly wrote on 10/30/2013, 9:48 PM
Thank you, Dr. Chris, for your kind words : ) My brother sent me some pictures of the Pegasus I Cluster and the Crab Nebula or something like that, but it didn't look very crabby to me. I had an astronomy class as a science elective many years ago but I didn't progress any further than that.
Serena Steuart wrote on 10/31/2013, 1:11 AM
Sometimes you have to use quite a bit of imagination to visualise why something has the name it does. but that doesn't apply to the https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200719233489251&set=a.1386042817140.2054814.1414115853&type=3&theaterTarantula Nebula[/link]
You will see the spider more easily if you dim it down: it is the bright gas around the centre of the nebula (as it appears in visual observing through a small telescope).
amendegw wrote on 10/31/2013, 5:50 AM
Serena, That's a spectacular shot!

Back in the 1960s, I did a bit of astrophotography (best shots where on a friend's 10" Cave reflector). I really wish I lived in an area where I could re-kindle this hobby - the East Coast of the US just has too much light pollution & haze (smog).

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Serena Steuart wrote on 11/1/2013, 2:39 AM
Thanks, Jerry. The East Coast looks very badly light polluted in satellite photos, but it's amazing what people are achieving with narrow band filters and CCD cameras. A hydrogen-alpha filter cuts out most light from discharge sources. Connecticut has one of the excellent amateur astrophotographers, Robert Gendler (http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/Biography2.html), who sets up his telescope on his driveway and achieves results the envy of us all. There are many more who are achieving credible results from highly compromised locations.