OT: Post production services

Jessariah67 wrote on 1/10/2004, 7:17 AM
Hey all,

My company's currently looking into funding for a feature-length (low budget) project. As the best characteristic of being a professional is knowing what you're NOT born to do, we would most likely job out the post production (video only). Color correction, balance, levles, etc. This would be shot on miniDV and edited in Vegas. For those who might be interested in such a project, I'm wondering a few things:

1) What would be the best way to get the project? As a "finished" .avi or as a project file, where you could hit each event separately?

2) What would be a fair price for handling a 70-90 minute project? (again, no editing/audio -- just "cleaning up the picture")

3) Am I missing / leaving out / not considering anything?

Thanks.

BTW, this is not "happening" as of yet, but if it does (and it looks like it may), I will be coming here for the work. Regional (Central New York-ish) would be nice, but not a necessity. Europe/Australia probably wouldn't be an otpion, however ; )

KH

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filmy wrote on 1/10/2004, 8:09 AM
Central NY eh? Give me shout if you do shoot around these parts. To answer the other questions - It depends on what format(s) you want and that the post production people can work with. For what I am doing right now, for example, they sent me all the mini-dv camera originals. They kepy 1:1 copies at the production office. *however* the original plan was that they sent me a system with all the material on it. What happened, or what I found out rather, was that the director had not digitized everything. Thusly I got the tapes sent out to me.

As for what they are getting back. I dump out roughs to mini-dv and send them out. The effects are being done in After Effects and they are pulling the edited material off the mini-dv and adding effects, rendering uncompressed, burning to CD and sending them out to me for cutting back into the film. When the film is locked I will be rendering out the entire film to start cutting audio. They will get a mini-dv of the locked picture to start doing color correction on.

When audio is locked it will be mixed. The mixe(s) will be rendered out and more than likely also dumped onto mini-dv. *everything* will be acrchived on a hard drive and that hard drive will also be sent out to them. At that point they will be adding a film look. These needs may be different than yours however, I need to do a full mix as well as a seperate foreign mix for example. Along the line I also need to keep individual mixes for each element. The same could be said for color correction.

Color correction wise I can say right now it would be best to have the colorist work off of orginal elments whih would mean going from the editing timeline vs. a rendered version. It can be done from 'rendered' picture but might be harder/take longer. But workflow is something that will vary. Billy Boy is a good place to start with this question I think. Rate wise, like everyhting else, would be set based on the film - not so much the running time. Most colorists I have ever delt with charge hourly and if the clent wants to sit in that price goes up.

As for what you may not be thinking of - well think about everything you can think of, even if it sounds silly. I mentioned foreign mixes - most indy people don't think of that. At that least you need to end up with a full composite mix and a seperate M&E mix. You also should plan on having a dialog list made up of the final version. Allow for a day of two of pick up shots once the editing has started as well - this could be months after the fact. The film I have been cutting just had pick up shots done a week ago - one year after principal ended. No matter what is on paper that isn't what will end up on film so don't be too offended if the editor/producer/director start moving things around to see what works better. Overall it is better to plan too much than plan too little. Audio - always try and get the best audio you can on the set becasue you may not have access to the actors after the fact, and even if you do they may charge more than you have. (What we used to do is just figure a certian amount of days for ADR in the contract price of the main actors and put that into the cotract.) As easy as it is to say "Don't worry about that we can fix it in post" you should remember that it may cost more to ADR or color correct that scene in post that the few hours it would have taken to shoot it right from the start. (In other words - when you are looking at locations I would also pay to *listen* to them as well)
Jessariah67 wrote on 1/10/2004, 8:22 AM
Dave,

What do you mean by "full composite mix & separate M&E mixes?"

Also, where are you? Buffalo, if I recall correctly?

K
Chienworks wrote on 1/10/2004, 8:27 AM
You could always check THE MAP for Vegas folks in that area. Many have listed their business contact information.
filmy wrote on 1/10/2004, 10:05 AM
>>>What do you mean by "full composite mix & separate M&E mixes?"<<<

Easy way to say it is this -

Full mix - what you hear when the film is done. Everything combined in whatever format you want.

M = Music
E = Effects
D = Dialog
R2D2 = reel 2, Dialog 2. (Sorry, I always love to toss in usless things like that.)
M & G = Moan and Groan (Normally something used in the adult industry - as in "We goona do M & G track on that?") (More usless info)

So - M&E track is the Music and Effects tracks mixed. What I didn't mention was that normally the effects are mixed into this but some country do want a seperate Effects mix. We used to send out a 1" that would have left channel composite mix and right channel M & E. The dialog list if sort of like a script except it just has the dialog that is in the film, as mixed. If the country wants to dub the film they use the M&E track and record new dialog in their language. If you want to get a good idea - check out the DVD of "Monsters, Inc" Because the film won an Oscar for audio they have an option to listen to the effects track only. Pretty cool stuff if you are into that.

And I am not up in Buffalo - lower...not not that low. Albany area. used to tell people NY and they thought city, that I said upstate and they think Buffalo. I just exist. :)
Jessariah67 wrote on 1/10/2004, 2:21 PM
M&G is funny. When I was working at DIC animation in LA, we called it "walla." You've never experienced a recording session until you've heard Frank Welker imitate a couch being dragged across a hardwood floor...

As for Buffalo, I know there's someone in here who works up there, guess I didn't realize how many New Yorkers we have. I knew Kelly was only a couple hours from me, but taking a look at that map, it seems that a whole LOT of us are enjoying this balmy weather...