This is all very interesting, but I think no one is going to change the other's mind. Geez, there are still people who think the Moon Landing was staged on a giant Hollywood set! How are you going to argue logic with that mindset?

Let it be. History will not be changed by what we argue here. Let's get back to discussing the fascinating subject of video editing.

riredale: concerning Appolo 11, yes, some of the shots that were shown to public were indeed made in a studio. To intercut with the real stuff from space. Hee!hee! ;)

>>>This is all very interesting, but I think no one is going to change the other's mind. Geez, there are still people who think the Moon Landing was staged on a giant Hollywood set! How are you going to argue logic with that mindset?

I can tell you don't want this thread to continue ;)

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you are making reference to me as having a "mindset" that defies logic. again I am faced with being categorized. this isn't the first time I've run into the Moon Landing thing. I'm curious, does it put you at ease to imagine that someone who disagrees with you is some kind of conspiracy theorist? I guess that is easier than actually considering that what I'm saying might be true because then you'd have to do some research. nothing I have said is remotely far fetched if you look at the history of US foreign policy. check for yourself.

of course there are well known conspiracies. have you heard of Enron? Arthur Andersen?

Ya know what cheesehole – I am so sick to DEATH of hearing about how the “media” is this propaganda machine developed and controlled by the American government with the sole, deliberate intention of distracting the American public from “their” [the government’s] devious intentions of controlling the entire world – “mu haha mu hahaha… MU hahahah”….

In particular, I REALLY CANNOT stand hearing it from someone whom admittedly DOES NOT WATCH TELEVISED (CABLE) NEWS PROGRAMS– how do you know about all these “consistent omission[s]”??? Did you read about it? Did someone tell you about it?? Wouldn’t you agree it best if you actually viewed it YOURSELF and made the decision on your own??

The journalistic integrity of American (as well as AP & most other democratic based) news organizations has never been more intact. Sure 30 years ago you couldn’t believe everything presented on the 4 channels of TV available – ::NEWS FLASH:: – couple things have changed since then.

We have hundreds of channels of cable/satellite TV channels… We have public access TV which any lunatic can get on …. The once fashionable “kill your tv man” “read a book” is no longer true.

Those who call themselves “intellectuals” these days because they strut around bragging about how smart they are since they only READ and don’t watch TV are morons – YES morons.

If you did watch cable TV networks such as Fox news, you wouldn’t have made comments like
>>>>“(they call it history although US television media avoids this concept because it doesn't fit in 30 second sound bytes)” –

because you would understand, cable news networks are 24/7, and aren’t like 23 minute local news broadcast that do have to squeeze everything into 30 sec clips to fit it all in the broadcast.

These cable channels don’t simply report news – they have programs that sponsor debate! On X vs Y issue, they go get the leader of the X foundation and put him up against The Collation for the Support of Y organization – and let them go at it. Your accusation that all new networks/media are bias in that they only show the X/Y, whichever they agree with, is TOTALLY & COMPLETLY unfounded.

Every heard of the HISTORY CHANNEL? Discovery? TLC?? These programs are founded and run by people that have genuine interest in HISTORY and have devoted their lives to learning the truth, and telling the accurate story of history.

I’m sure ALL in this forum would agree to the power of video – it’s simply the most powerful form of communication ever. When I watch the history channel – I WATCH interviews with the people that were THERE . To sit there, and watch someone tell me their story how he and hundreds of other people were PACKED into train cars for transport to death camps – packed so tight, they had to stand shoulder to shoulder locked in a car for 6 days – And how they had to urinate and defecate where they stood – and had try to pile the bodies of the elderly that died in route in a corner to try to isolate the stench of death…… When I SEE this man’s face, this man who has strength I cannot even comprehend simply by the fact that he survived this.. when I SEE his face start to QUIVER as he recalls the HORROR of these events.. ……..

You simple cannot GET this from reading a book.

(this of course is response to your earlier posting which stated
>>>>>>>>>>>.
"My hope is that someone will be inspired to turn their TV's off for a while and indulge in the wider world of perspectives available on the radio, internet, and various print journals. anything not paid for by American corporations."


Now do you expect us to believe, that ALL OF THIS, the interviews of with veterans, POW survivors, Japanese POW Guards, former Iraqi Generals, Palestinians etc etc… ALONG with every single reporter, historian, news network – is some how controlled by the use government?????????????????????? This interviews are actors on US payrole?

The same government so many love to comment on how inept and dysfunctional it is – but then all of a sudden becomes this ultra-advance machine with the capabilities of controlling every facit of American media???? Please……

You just make stuff up which is congruent with what you want to believe.
CASE IN POINT:

Still haven’t heard your answer on this question I asked you 2 times now.

you said
>>>>"in fact the US prefers to deal with military dictators (and has supported and defended plenty of corrupt regimes in the past century, some much worse than Saddam"

My question AGAIN, which regime exactly is this?
(remember, which we also "supported and defended" )

Sure why there has been no answer to this is because you know you pulled this out of your butt ;)
With the rest of your “info”


HERE’s what it all comes down to.

SADDAM must be removed by WHATEVER means necessary.
He is a REAL THREAT to the United States of America.

This threat is NOT contrived by the US Government. No matter HOW much you want to believe it is.

You think [the US government] is trying to blow smoke to divert attention from our weak economy?
Guess what? It doesn’t matter if Bush drops the whole war on terror & focuses on economic stimulation.

Fact is, tax cuts to rich or poor won’t mean JACK if there is terrorist attack with weapons of mass destruction in a major US city. THIS WILL DESTORY our economy – thank god most people understand this.

Awesome!

First of all, color correction in Vegas is awesome---in fact, the whole damn program is awesome---what I find interesting is that the guys who go 4:2:2 love it and are desperate for some hardware to make editing in their formats possible------

Hey, we live in a complex world----all I am asking for is that those who fall behind the Palestinian cause give equal weight to all the nascent national movements in all regions of the world---the obsession with Israel is what concerns me---

By the way, a recent study showed that Vegas Video is making major inroads on the West Bank and could very well bring peace to that region within 5 years.

I love it cheeshole! he he he...

I WISH i could find this clip - i'll go see if i can find it somewhere..
One of these "conspiracy theory" nutts (yes, the dude was a nutt)

Confronted Buzz Aldrin outside of some hotel year or so a go...
He gets right up in his face and starts shouting "why are you covering up the truth! you never landed on the moon! you coward!!""

WAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!!!!

Ol' Buzz wound up and socked the dude right in his face!!!
LOL

It hilarous - and apparently, the DA dropped the assualt charges against him!!!
Damn right!

>>>>"I'm saying might be true because then you'd have to do some research. nothing I have said is remotely far fetched if you look at the history of US foreign policy"

Yep - also look at the history of Russian & China's policy. They had no interest in disclaiming our accomplishments???? come on.... like they weren't monitoring the source of the radio transmissions... if there was ANYTHING there - they would have sqealed like a pig. Or wait a second....... i betcha the whole "cold war" was all an elaborate conspiracy to coverup an evil plan to have sharks with-friggin-laser-beams attached to their heads transport oil to alien media outlets.... wooooo... thats the ticket!!

lol

Time to "chill" as the kids say. Or, the moderators could kill this thread (no "hint" intended of course).

Ok, OK Grob,

"Sadam Hussein walks into a bar . . ."

and says "Fill er up"...pointing to an empty shell casing.......
and the bartender says........

NEXT

All I can say is there must be about 5 forum participants waiting on a long render for this thread to get this long so fast!

Saddam walks into a bar ....
Points to an empty shell casing and says "fill 'er up"...
Bartender says,
"So sarin, we're out of that."
Saddam says ....

and the bar tender says----high test or low test---

and the bar tender says, high test or anthrax

Okay, Sadist is in his tent with twenty of his wives (three of which are his first cousins) and he says to wife number three-----Where is my son Sadist the II. She says he is in Bagdad taking a Vegas seminar. He says: Finally he will learn how to cut!

I'm losing it---I am going to bed.

>>"Sadam Hussein walks into a bar . . ."
>>and says "Fill er up"...pointing to an empty shell casing.......
>>and the bartender says........

"What it'll be? O-ethyl S-diisopropylaminomethyl methylphosphonothiolate (VX) or
isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate (Sarin)??"

to which Saddam replies...

NEXT....

(yep,got to stop this thread! lol.. guess that would start be me shuttin up =)

Embrace illiteracy - it's a lot easier to form opinions when they're given to you.

Shawn

"and the bar tender says----high test or low test---

and the bar tender says, high test or anthrax

Okay, Sadist is in his tent with twenty of his wives (three of which are his first cousins) and he says to wife number three-----Where is my son Sadist the II. She says he is in Bagdad taking a Vegas seminar. He says: Finally he will learn how to cut!

I'm losing it---I am going to bed."


and his wife number three says......No Sadaaaaaaaaaaaaam honey.....don't go to bed yet.

And Sadist says--honey, your killing me----

"And Sadist says--honey, your killing me---- "


and she replies, "Must be the heat".
To which he replies, "I can't take the heat but I refuse to get out of the kitchen because that's where I am hiding my weapons of mass destruction. And by the way, the bulb in the fridge isn't blown out......it's off for a REASON!

>>>Ya know what cheesehole – I am so sick to DEATH of hearing about how the “media” is this propaganda machine developed and controlled by the American government with the sole, deliberate intention of distracting the American public from “their” [the government’s] devious intentions of controlling the entire world – “mu haha mu hahaha… MU hahahah”….

sounds pretty kooky. where have you been hearing so much of that that it made you sick to death?

>>>In particular, I REALLY CANNOT stand hearing it from someone whom admittedly DOES NOT WATCH TELEVISED (CABLE) NEWS PROGRAMS

now you are putting words in my mouth again. emotion can make it difficult to think straight. that's why it is a primary mechanism used in propaganda along with fear.

>>>how do you know about all these “consistent omission[s]”???

your lack of knowledge of the history of US foreign policy is one way I know.

>>>Did you read about it?
yes

>>>Did someone tell you about it?
yes

>>>Wouldn’t you agree it best if you actually viewed it YOURSELF and made the decision on your own??
yes

>>>The journalistic integrity of American (as well as AP & most other democratic based) news organizations has never been more intact.

even if this was true, it would not make it immune to critisism

>>>Sure 30 years ago you couldn’t believe everything presented on the 4 channels of TV available – ::NEWS FLASH:: – couple things have changed since then.

yeah now we have a hundred stations owned by 4 conglomerates and all paid for by the same corporations.

>>>We have hundreds of channels of cable/satellite TV channels

and yet the ideas expressed are pretty uniform.

>>>We have public access TV which any lunatic can get on

gotta love public access!

>>>The once fashionable “kill your tv man” “read a book” is no longer true.
I don't see how that statement can be proved true or false.

>>>Those who call themselves “intellectuals” these days because they strut around bragging about how smart they are since they only READ and don’t watch TV are morons – YES morons.

wow thanks for that... I guess you have me all figured out :D

>>>If you did watch cable TV networks such as Fox news, you wouldn’t have made comments like >>>>“(they call it history although US television media avoids this concept because it doesn't fit in 30 second sound bytes)” –
>>>because you would understand, cable news networks are 24/7, and aren’t like 23 minute local news broadcast that do have to squeeze everything into 30 sec clips to fit it all in the broadcast.

and yet they still manage to fill the time up with narrow-minded fluff.

>>>These cable channels don’t simply report news – they have programs that sponsor debate! On X vs Y issue, they go get the leader of the X foundation and put him up against The Collation for the Support of Y organization – and let them go at it.

sounds good, but when you dig deeper you realize they are mostly there for entertainment. the debates are more like condensed arguments. they sound kind of like you actually... no offense.

>>>Your accusation that all new networks/media are bias in that they only show the X/Y, whichever they agree with, is TOTALLY & COMPLETLY unfounded.

not my accusation. and no such thing as unbiased information. I did say that you only get to see what they decide to show. the key is, what do they decide to air and what gets canned?

>>>Every heard of the HISTORY CHANNEL? Discovery? TLC?? These programs are founded and run by people that have genuine interest in HISTORY and have devoted their lives to learning the truth, and telling the accurate story of history.

yes did you catch the history channel program that disclosed the secret documents proving that the US intentionally provoked Japan into attacking us? I found it quite fascinating that the government would do such a thing in secret in order to manufacture consent among the American public to enter the war.

>>>I’m sure ALL in this forum would agree to the power of video – it’s simply the most powerful form of communication ever.

it has it's advantages and also it's limitations. depending on how you define 'powerful' I might agree with you. if you consider the influence television has on public opinion, it does seem very powerful.

>>>When I watch the history channel – I WATCH interviews with the people that were THERE .
<snip>
>>>when I SEE his face start to QUIVER as he recalls the HORROR of these events.. ……..

>>>You simple cannot GET this from reading a book.

you haven't read too many books then. there's no denying the emotional impact of video though.

>>>Now do you expect us to believe, that ALL OF THIS,
<snip>
>>>is some how controlled by the use government??????????????????????

this massive conspiracy theory is yours not mine. read my posts, don't read my thoughts because you are consistently wrong about those.

>>>This interviews are actors on US payrole?

you seem to be really stuck on this conspiracy thing. the influences exerted on and by the US media are numerous and complex. you can begin to understand how it works by following one of the first rules of journalism. "follow the money". of course in order to realize that you are not getting the whole story from television, you have to look at sources other than television. that might require reading a BOOK of all things, you know those boring things that don't quiver with emotion.

>>You just make stuff up which is congruent with what you want to believe.
>>>CASE IN POINT:
>>>Still haven’t heard your answer on this question I asked you 2 times now.

Shawn's post sufficiently answered your question. you will only discover more by reading and doing research for yourself. it's the kind of thing where, if you have to ask... besides, you wouldn't believe anything I said.

>>>My question AGAIN, which regime exactly is this?
>>>(remember, which we also "supported and defended" )

I wouldn't be doing you a service by giving you a history lesson. I want people to do their own research, and sitting in front of the tube with 100 stations and a clicker doesn't cut it.

>>>Sure why there has been no answer to this is because you know you pulled this out of your butt ;) With the rest of your “info”

now come on... why would I lie? am I part of a massive conspiracy to make you stop watching your TV? ;)

>>>SADDAM must be removed by WHATEVER means necessary.
He is a REAL THREAT to the United States of America.

it's amazing how closely your opinions match the war hawks in the state department.

>>>This threat is NOT contrived by the US Government. No matter HOW much you want to believe it is.

no, the US government would never exaggerate the threat of a foreign element. :D

>>>You think [the US government] is trying to blow smoke to divert attention from our weak economy? Guess what? It doesn’t matter if Bush drops the whole war on terror & focuses on economic stimulation.

all the more reason for him to continue pushing the war on terror. that's part of my point.

>>>Fact is, tax cuts to rich or poor won’t mean JACK if there is terrorist attack with weapons of mass destruction in a major US city. THIS WILL DESTORY our economy – thank god most people understand this.

well it's a good thing we are getting rid of Saddam then. once he's out of the picture, no one will be able to get hold of box cutters and flying lessons.

LOL---I'm dying here----How many Republican Guards does it take to screw in a light bulb?

"How many Republican Guards does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

All of them, they were so impatient that none of them 'Kuwait'.
Probably due to too much caffein. They should try drinking 'Sanction'.