OT: Smallest Size Alpha Channel Codec

Chanimal wrote on 8/27/2006, 3:05 PM
I was rendering bottom third and alpha channel animations from the Editor's Toolkit from Digital Juice and I had a 20 second animation with a file size over 600 megabytes (worse case--others were 200 meg, 38 meg, etc.)! Uncompressed AVI (that had transparency) was even bigger at 800 meg.

Their Juicer2 application used Quicktime "animation" codec as the default. It took 1 min 11 seconds to render.

I checked their site and learned that Quicktime (lossless) with the PNG was supposed to 1/2 the size, and still had alpha. It worked as projected, but it took 4 min 32 seconds (almost 4x longer).

In addition, I still wanted a smaller file (200+ meg was still big) so I tried the same file with Quicktime Sorenson 3 and it was only 18 meg (MUCH smaller) and was only slightly longer than the default "animation" codec setting (1 min 25 seconds). However, it did not retain the alpha channel.

I can go through all the options, but can save some time if anyone can provide a a list of common codecs that have alpha (this is a requirement--I can render the non-alpha tracks in various formats and save a lot of space). Then among those with alpha, which is the smallest size, apx. render times, etc.

Anyone have all or part of this information?

Thanks,

Ted

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Jonathan Neal wrote on 8/27/2006, 5:28 PM
I like PNG exporting from flash when putting an animation into Vegas. For exporting in Vegas lossless with alpha, I use Quicktime "animation". I haven't noticed any bad render times though, I'm sorry to hear that. If anyone else gets an idea, I wanna know!
Chanimal wrote on 8/27/2006, 5:54 PM
Jonathan,

Actually, Quicktime "animation" codec is relatively quick rendering. Quicktime "PNG" is 4 x longer. However, PNG is 1/2 the size, so I'm considering it regardless of render time.

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Jonathan Neal wrote on 8/27/2006, 6:28 PM
Now I learned something new, I've never used Quicktime 'PNG'. Is the only difference filesize? Or does it also export a PNG sequence?
Chanimal wrote on 8/27/2006, 9:10 PM
The quality appears the same, but it is a newer codec and the compression is better. It does not export a sequence of PNG files (I thought it might--but it doesn't), but a single file.

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quokka wrote on 8/27/2006, 9:12 PM
Just started using "animation" ourselves within quicktime, with alpha. We are exporting them out of Combustion and can only get the aplha recognised as "dirty" which gives us a slight fringing, which is a shame, cos the file sizes are significantly smaller using what we believe is lossless compression.

If I'm doing something wrong please let me know as all our work is done over a network (about20+ computers) so the smaller file sizes are a boom. Vegas still uncompresse on the fly the files so its a good alternative to uncompressed .avi with alpha.
Chanimal wrote on 8/30/2006, 12:25 PM
All the Alpha options are available with the Quicktime PNG codec--and the file size is about 1/2 size.

This is what I finally used for all the Lower thirds.

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Logan5 wrote on 8/30/2006, 1:13 PM
digital anarchy has a good lossless QT codec
If you want smaller 64-bit RGBA files give their demo a try.

http://www.digitalanarchy.com/section/section_ae-video.html#pr1