OT: Software for shooting script and screenplay

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ingvarai wrote on 1/24/2010, 7:17 AM
Thanks!
I realize that there probably is no tool out there at the moment that will do what I want. What I want is a tool that is written for what Stu Maschwitz calls a DV Rebel in his eminent book:
http://www.amazon.com/DV-Rebels-Guide-All-Digital-Approach/dp/0321413644
In other words, a one-man movie company where you do it all yourself. What I think and feel that I need, is a project outline, yes. But furthermore, I want to watch my video before I have shot the first clip. I want to acid test my concept, the pace, the order of scenes, the story itself, with music and speech. If you watch the bonus material on Spielberg's War of the Worlds, you will understand what I mean. What he used, is very sophisticated. It doesn't have to be that advanced for me, cartoon still photos will do. I also want the application to give me a list of clips to shoot for each camera position, based on the script and initial guesses I have made and entered into the application data.
I am sure there is a growing market for this kind of software, but maybe not for people who are used to pay for software, alas..
Ingvar
craftech wrote on 1/24/2010, 7:29 AM
Final Draft has a stranglehold on the industry. People who work in the entertainment industry pick up a script and they expect it to look exactly as if it was written with Final Draft. People who receive your scripts via email will expect them in Final Draft format. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. If you are merely tinkering, then you can use online screenwriting software such as screenwriting pro.

John
ingvarai wrote on 1/24/2010, 10:00 AM
John,
thanks. I have already understood this, so I use a freeware, Celtex, to format the script in accordance with standards.
What I want is a superlight versin of what Spielberg used when directing War of the Worlds. Ha had the movie ready when starting to shoot real actors. He had computer generated characters, monsters, buildings, cars etc. moving and talking. He could play and experiment with camera positions, transitions etc. before even the first actor and the first crane or jib showed up on location.
Whant I want is a rudimentary version of this. All I want is to test the flow of events, in real time, to see if it functions. I need a timeline to put several sound tracks on, and some time lines to put still photos on. And I want to add markers and scene/shot properties that later can be queried by a report engine to give me printouts, telling me what to shoot on this location, on that location, carera rigs etc.
Ingvar
busterkeaton wrote on 1/24/2010, 10:25 AM
Ingvar,

Again, this is called pre-visualization software

I was going to say this:
However, after reading how several great, great movies were made in the editing room, I think you're kidding yourself, if you think you can make the movie beforehand. It sounds like you are trying to substitute technology for filmmaking experience.

Then I had my coffee and will say this
Good luck. Let us know how it works for you. Everyone has a different process. Also don't forget how to work with actors, many directors who are technically skilled with the camera have trouble giving the actors enough space/freedom to work.

Jay Gladwell wrote on 1/24/2010, 2:04 PM
"Final Draft has a stranglehold on the industry."

With all due respect, John, you've got your cart before your horse. The screenplay format was around long before Final Draft. Final Draft was created with the advent of computers and word processing so everyone could be consistent in the formatting of a screenplay. Remember trying to type anything over two pages with a manual typewriter?

The format of the screenplay grew out of the process of making films over the years. One page of a properly formatted screenplay equals 1 minute of screen time. That comes in real handy in the production management process (planning and budgeting). That is why "the entertainment industry pick[s] up a script and they expect it to look" at certain way. They presume if you can't (or don't know how to) properly format a script, you probably can't tell a story either.

The readers in Hollywood look for excuses not to read a script (considering tens of thousands are registered with the WGA every year) and the first obvious clue that the script will be a bomb is incorrect or poor formatting. That's their reasoning, anyway.


ingvarai wrote on 1/24/2010, 2:20 PM
Hi Buster,
I am making a movie, with real actors (mostly family members), started in May, hopefully it will be finished before Easter. Working with this, I still feel the need for what I am talking about. I think that experience and technology can go along, hand in hand. Actually, it is first after all the experience using pen and paper that I really want to test pre-vizualisation software. Thanks for the link, by the way.
What I want to test is not necessarily the entire movie, it is more certain chapters. Now, lacking dedicated software, I have used Vegas! I put still photos, music, speech etc. on the timeline to test out various ideas I have.
Too often I called people together who had to drive a long way, get babysitters, put on clothes and make-up, just to have them waiting and waiting while I was pondering about how to shoot and stressing around with equipment. Only to find out in the studio afterwards that I had violated elementary rules of diagonals and positions when actors have a dialog, wrong angles, crucial shots I did not shoot and so on.
All in all I agree with what you say, hope the coffee tasted.
Ingvar
busterkeaton wrote on 1/24/2010, 6:04 PM
Ingvar,

Something like this might help too.
http://www.hollywoodcamerawork.us/mc_index.html

I think one way to learn about how to make movies is to watch great movies. In your case, you are shooting a low budget movie which have slightly different rules (you don't have top talent and you don't have time to shoot a lot of coverage. ) So you may want to look at some low budget movies that really worked and see what they did. Steven Soderbergh's Sex, Lies and Videotape is excellent example of a low-budget movie is directed well. However, he had professional actors. Unless, you come from an acting family, you do not. You might want to find some good low budget movies with actors who never acted before. You don't have a full crew and a steadicam operator and dolly grips, etc, so you can't be too technically ambitious. You might need to scale back your ambitions with your actors as well. Find the emotional component of each scene, evaluate what you can do with what you have to achieve that emotion and then go on set and capture that.

Good luck. The coffee was fine.