OT: Song use rights?.. you tube

richard-courtney wrote on 6/5/2010, 4:58 PM

So, like can I get away with it?

Can you run a red stoplight? Sure, but some states have cameras.
We purchase music for internet use from companies like KillerTracks.
Expect between $90-$125. You can always contact the artist and see
if they will give you permission. Sometimes they would like the advertising.

But you should really check first regardless.

alltheseworlds wrote on 6/5/2010, 5:26 PM

Sure you can get away with it - millions of clips use copyright music illegally. But it is still illegal. You also run the risk of your clip being pulled or the soundtrack being automatically replaced by some inappropriate crap.

If it's just a bit of fun I wouldn't worry at all. If it's for a paying customer, or something that will have an important place on your own site or portfolio then there's no way I'd use copyright music.

TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/5/2010, 5:51 PM

I'm pretty sure youtube has made deals with some music labels for people to use their tunes & if you're not allowed the audio's pulled.

farss wrote on 6/5/2010, 9:37 PM

That's entirely correct.
Thanks to my clients not heeding my words of caution I uploaded several dance pieces with copyright music. Both used quite obscure music. YouTube identified the music, sent me an email telling me they had and that I needed to do nothing as they have an arrangement with the copyright owners.
Advertising to buy the music via iTunes may appear along with your video. You are promoting the work, the copyright owners hopefully get some sales and the whole process works as it really should.
If YouTube don't have an arrangement and they identify the music expect your audio to get pulled.

Bob.

MUTTLEY wrote on 6/5/2010, 9:56 PM

I don't know what the odds are but from what I've seen with some of mine, the ones that I did for funsies and used something copyrighted YouTube placed an add with a link to the song at the bottom of the vid. Seems as though they have a deal with some labels/artist and not with others. Brilliant idea though and love it. If I use a song it's because I like it so I'd love one of my vids to make the band money! I posted this vid here before as sample footage from the T2i but you can see that this was one that they seemed to let stay but they have pop-up add to buy the song:

- Ray
Underground Planet

*EDIT: The popup add isn't showing up now!?! Is it coming up for anyone else? Swear it was there like a week ago.

i c e wrote on 6/6/2010, 8:13 AM

Hey thanks for all the responses. Kind of what I had feared. I didn't know if there was like a " youtube rule" where people didn't care but I guess not. The songs I want to use are Chariots of Fire and Mission Impossible.. it's a comedy.. but anyways.

Thanks for the demo Ray. I am really impressed with the video. Looks really good and clean. Would love to know some of the effects that you used. Was it done in Vegas? Also the title is like WOW. Love to know how you did it. I love titles and that is a master piece. Better than a lot of movie intros I have seen.

also the shooting was well done. I don't have even a drop of interest in dogs but I like the vid by the way it was shot. The only shot I didn't get was the puddle.

Anyways. Thanks for sharing. Take care

Ice

MUTTLEY wrote on 6/6/2010, 11:54 AM

Thanks man, yea it was all done in Vegas and some cc with Magic Bullet. Titles were nothing special, just done with there regular Text generator. The shooting was admittedly haphazard, more just testing the camera then going for anything especially engaging. The fact that there are some shots on there that I really like was almost accidental. Editing it and putting it online was meant to show the potential of the camera for others that were considering it as I got mine fairly early on, a couple days after its release if I remember correctly. The puddle shot to me was worthy of inclusion in this context as the amount of detail in the reflection was really impressive, if only to me. There are actually quite a few shots that I don't "love" in there and wouldn't have included otherwise but I felt demonstrated one thing or another so I put those in despite my being less than proud of them.

But my main question is, did the pop up to buy the mp3 come up for you?

- Ray
Underground Planet

farss wrote on 6/6/2010, 12:52 PM

It didn't for me. I suspect it doesn't if the video is embedded.

Let's test that theory, here's one of mine, I only cut it BTW :)

Bob.

richard-courtney wrote on 6/6/2010, 3:53 PM

Playing it here, no iTunes popup. Playing it at Youtube I get the iTunes popup for
Wiyathul

DGates wrote on 6/6/2010, 4:10 PM

Each song has a distinct audio wavelength, and as such, it's like finger prints. It's totally unique to the song.

DGates wrote on 6/6/2010, 4:26 PM

I agree that it's a good idea to have the song pop-up. It's a perfect compromise.

fldave wrote on 6/6/2010, 6:16 PM

About a year ago I uploaded a video of me driving along the beach with a song on the radio. They tagged the song from the radio, and locked the video from play. It was an obscure 1980s song, too.

I changed the audio with Cinescore and re-uploaded the clip.

John_Cline wrote on 6/6/2010, 7:52 PM

Wavelength is just one parameter of the audio that is used in the algorithm that recognizes songs. (Specifically, wavelength corresponds to the frequency of the vibration.) Most programs use Fast Fourier Transform (FFT) algorithms to analyze sound. This mathematical technique can take a complex series of signals and track any changes within it. These changes -- whether they're tempo changes, beats per minute or the amplitude and frequency of the sound in the clip -- are mapped out and mathematically converted into a digital fingerprint used to identify the sound.

musicvid10 wrote on 6/6/2010, 7:58 PM

Apparently YouTube uses technology similar to Pluraleyes to match a song's handprint to the recording. Live performance recordings generally don't get snagged, indicating there is not a room full of lol's listening to each and every upload that comes in.

(lol = little old lady)

John_Cline wrote on 6/7/2010, 5:57 AM

The technology is used to recognize and match recordings, not the songs themselves.

i c e wrote on 6/7/2010, 8:40 AM

Wow. no idea of any of that. Quite frightening actually. haha..

that last vid didn't play for me.. something about umg? probably becuase I am outside the US.

Sound like I would be much better off writing my own music. Too bad. Won't get the laughs that Chariots of Fire would. ugh!

anyways thanks all for the posts..

ice

musicvid10 wrote on 6/7/2010, 8:49 AM

ice,
This simple approach has worked well for me for the better part of forty years, and is the same today as it was then:

dibbkd wrote on 6/7/2010, 5:51 PM

I've used copyrighted music in a lot of my home videos, and Youtube will frequently send me an email stating that my video cannot be viewed in certain countries.

For example, my New Years Eve 2009 video cannot be viewed in Germany because it has Kenny G's version of the new years eve song (can't remember the name of it).

I guess you Germans will be missing out on my great video! :)

This is the email I've gotten from Youtube on other videos of mine:

Dear dibbers,
Your video, Girl Next Door - Saving Jane, may have content that is owned or licensed by UMG.
No action is required on your part; however, if you are interested in learning how this affects your video, please visit the Content ID Matches section of your account for more information.
Sincerely,
- The YouTube Team

BibbityBoo wrote on 6/8/2010, 6:17 PM

Won't get the laughs that Chariots of Fire would. ugh!

Might be a bit of work, but you could do what so many pros do when the track is too expensive to license, and compose something that shares the same chords structure and feeling, but alters the basic melody enough to make a credible claim that you have written a parody of the work. It won't entirely prevent any future conflict, but unless you expect the piece to go wildly viral and you want to make money off it, it should be safe enough.

Copyright law is so twisted at this point that even if you have every good intention and try to do everything right you can still run into a claim somewhere down the road. Major studios had armies of lawyers for this kind of stuff. Most of us have at best a handbook that squashes most ideas in the womb... it's probably better creatively to be just a little bit ignorant.