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farss wrote on 11/29/2005, 6:51 PM
Interesting thing I learnt from the Canopus guys, all these advanced codecs offer grat improvements at low bitrates. At high bitrates (say 50Mb/sec and over) still the best codec for image quality is mepg-1.
Get down to say 8 MB/sec and mpeg-2 starts to shine, go lower still and H.264 is the best.
It's not as simple as we all like to think, mpeg-1 gets bad press becaase of VCDs, very few of us use it at high bitrates, same goes for mpeg-2. Sony may well be justified in sticking to mpeg-2 and using a high bitrates and hence need larger storage, it'd probably give the best possible quality.
Of course whether or not Joe Average is ever going to notice and just what the side effects such as media stability will be is another issue entirely.
Bob.
MH_Stevens wrote on 11/29/2005, 6:55 PM
If you have a state-of-the-art computer based entertainment system then relax, don't worry, because I understand that when the pirates make copies of these disks for distribution they will be able to recode them to MPEG4. Sony might not give us the technology but that little Mexican guy who stands on the corner of Cesar Chavez and Union Street Saturday morning will.

(Legal Notice: The above is sarcasm)

Spot|DSE wrote on 11/29/2005, 7:21 PM
The author of that article is seriously ill-informed.
First, while Sony is sticking with MPEG 2 for now, (as are most content providers for the short term) MPEG 4 is totally BD compliant, and totally ready for BD. It's Sony's delivery mechanism for their blockbuster movies that will be in MPEG 2.
Second, there is no cost savings in 9 gig BD vs 25gig BD, so no "cost savings" to be passed on to the consumer. Silly statement, according to the folks at Evatone (replicator) and DiscMakers. Both indicated the costs remain identical, other than mastering costs, which Sony (and most other authors) do in-house.
The article suggests Sony is deliberately staying behind the times...I guess that's so...when there are billions of $$ at stake, why be on the bleeding edge, when you can convert to the bleeding edge overnight?
Additionally, the article talks about VC1, which has not yet been accepted by SMPTE, even though it was originally expected to be accepted 3 years ago under a different name. Why talk about "standardizing" on a non-standard? Sorta misleading, IMO.
Regardless of anything else, I'm confident Sony, Warner, Apple, and everyone else on the BD wagon will eventually go to the same format. Who goes there first gets to deal with the costs. Tech support calls, encoding hell, authoring problems...I'm a fan of being on the bleeding edge because for me to fall isn't that far. But for a big company like Sony that has a lot of responsibility? Shifting in the middle of a stream isn't usually a good idea. Sony and Thomson both have huge stakes in the MPEG 4 game. Neither is jumping from MPEG 2 right now. (Thomson/Grass Valley is shipping an MPEG 4 camera, but still MPEG 2 for all their high end delivery tools like the Turbo DDR, etc.)
Chienworks wrote on 11/29/2005, 7:27 PM
Dense moment here, but what does BD stand for? I can't seem to remember. I guess in my case it stands for "Brain Dead". ;)
JackW wrote on 11/29/2005, 9:56 PM
Bio Degradable?

Jack
Coursedesign wrote on 11/29/2005, 10:35 PM
I think it stands for Blu-ray Disc.
p@mast3rs wrote on 11/29/2005, 10:43 PM
Sadly enough, both camps (HD-DVD/Blu Ray) are missing the big picture right now and that is the major delay which misses the Christmas shopping season. Coudl you imagine how many players would have been sold this holiday with an appropriate marketing campaign and products on the shelves?

Furthermore, this just seems to not have been Sony's year with the rookit fiasco, the delay of Blu Ray, the higher than expected costs and imminent delay of PS3. I would not want to be a Sony shareholder.

I dont see the need to use Mpeg-2 as the storage codec and it makes it seem senseless to use it when you have better compression formats out there (VC-1 and H.264 AVC). The consumer doesnt care about the storage codecs or formats, they just want thier HD content and want it now.

For all of the talk we have heard about HD this year, it has amounted to absolutely nothing at this point. Without players, there will not be an onslaught on HD content by producers or filmmakers. I personally love the HD format but I am not your average Joe customer. Joe customer wont take 24 hours to encode an HD capture to VC-1 or H.264 AVC to maximize their use of disc space.

The longer these delays take, the more money those in those camps will lose out on. Not only them, but hi def content producers as well. M$ has really missed the boat as they could have developed a HD capable player when they released WM9 and started to capture market share and had a major head start. They did it for the XBox, they could have definitely done it for WM9 HD.
farss wrote on 11/30/2005, 2:57 AM
Sorry Patrick but I don't get your shot at uStuff, we now watch all our movies on PCs, well I guess uStuff didn't make them but given that they'd never beat the Asians at building cheap PCs it makes sense for them not to try to compete anyway.
Someone explain to me why we need any STB HD shiny disk player, there's an upwardly mobile generation out there who just don't get the idea.
Bob.
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/30/2005, 4:07 AM
BD=BluRay Disk

As far as delay...BD isn't delayed. It never was slated to ship before Jan 2007. At CES next month, we'll certainly see several BD players, no doubt. HD-DVD is who delayed, and they delayed back to the schedule they originally announced before attempting to accelerate the announced schedule.

It would have been nice to see BD before Christmas, but they've got to put the displays into market first, so that people can see/buy the displays they need for HD content, right? Releasing both of them at the same time would be a huge burden on the marketplace, possibly/probably weakening sales of both devices. But that's just my .02.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 11/30/2005, 4:51 AM

Here's a similar article titled "New high-definition DVDs to use old video technology?" at ZD Net.

With Sony's recent blunders, and based on what I've read around the web, I think many people (not necessarily the majority, but who knows) are very leary of Sony right now. Even if BD were ready for Christmas, I doubt sales would be anything near what they would be hoping for, right now.


TheHappyFriar wrote on 11/30/2005, 7:00 AM
i dont' see it as a big deal they're going to use mpeg-2 for a while. actuatly, we as video editors should be thankfull. That means we already own the tools (besides the hardware burner & burning software) to make blue-ray HD disks. Pretty sweet IMHO that Vegas 4 will be able to produce BlueRay HD stuff, just like the latest versions of any video software. :)

Also, normally I'm one of those people who says "we should be more advanced then this" but in this case I think Sony made the right decision. There's competition to blue-ray: hddvd. Sony lost the consumer market with beta & maybe they learned from their mistake then. Hopefully we'll see non-sony blueray burners, non-sony blueray players, etc (if there isn't I wouldn't buy them. Sorry, but we at my house don't watch much TV & have no plans of even going HD any time soon. Waste of money. I wouldn't buy a REALLY expensive sony exclusinve burner/player for extra quality I wouldn't even notice).