OT: The Future of Civilization

Jonathan Neal wrote on 5/31/2007, 7:41 AM
I could not resist the joy in sharing this little nugget of joy from theoretical physicist and 2057 host Michio Kaku as he speculates on the future of civilization.



Words you'll find in this video: "Madonna ... Blue Jeans ... Rock & Roll ... Weapons of Mass Destruction ... Star Trek ... Star Wars ... Million Million Million ... Robots!!!" :)

Comments

JJKizak wrote on 5/31/2007, 9:54 AM
As Mr. Spock would say, "Interesting hypothisis but incorrect." "To assume that one could harness the energy of a galaxy and not instantly travel or communicate within it is not logical."

JJK
dsf wrote on 5/31/2007, 8:18 PM
His next video will give the inside story on the Tooth Fairy.
RalphM wrote on 5/31/2007, 8:42 PM
Please don't tell me he's teaching somewhere on this planet.....
Coursedesign wrote on 6/1/2007, 10:58 AM
I'll give him an "A" for his Public Speaking Skills, and an "F" for his Ability to Think Through the Consequences of What He is Proposing.

Trillions of Tons of Trash Traversing the Universe.

Oh, Michio Kaku, Sultan of Space Spam, may we see an Environmental Impact Report on that first?

dand9959 wrote on 6/1/2007, 12:20 PM
I found that enjoyable. Far fetched? Incredible? Sure. So what?

We need dreamers like this in our society just as much as we need the Luddites who denigrate them.
farss wrote on 6/1/2007, 1:40 PM
The man certainly has significant credentials, including String Theory to his name.
On a similar subject the LHC at CERN goes live later this year. The most expensive experiment ever conducted, the data processing and storage alone is mind boggling. If all goes to plan we might have the final missing piece to the puzzle.

Bob.
Coursedesign wrote on 6/1/2007, 2:39 PM
The world doesn't need anyone to denigrate the dreamers.

All we need (besides love :O) are people who can be bouncing boards for the dreamers, people who can nurture their ideas, develop them to practical implementation and consider the consequences, things that are less likely to be a dreamers' strengths.
Serena wrote on 6/1/2007, 10:35 PM
Well now.... what is there in that to object to? Quite sensible science speculation.
apit34356 wrote on 6/1/2007, 11:25 PM
"Well now.... what is there in that to object to? Quite sensible science speculation." -------- Serena, have you forgotten your "conditioning" requirements to work in "video"?
The mis-guided prof did not have an IPOD in his shirt pocket showing during filming, nor did he firmly stated that the new Apple iPhone would move planet Earth to stage One. ;-)

He is one of the few theoretical physicist that can keep a general audience awake, not too hard to talk to but sometimes some of his ideals about the future came be as strange as string theory's sub-multi-dimensions. But future speculation on the future of civilization or alien life ------ is -- a wishful dream of the beholder and that's all.
Coursedesign wrote on 6/2/2007, 1:12 AM
Well, he's obviously a fan of deduction, and that's why he needs N**N**N**N etc. robots to bring back data to deduce the structure of the entire universe (or more specifically the best way to colonize and subjugate the other bastard solar systems quickly as possible).

I'm more interested in induction, where from studying the principles of the universe one could induce the structure of the whole.

There is a very famous old story about when these two methods were applied by two researchers simultaneously for exactly this purpose. One used induction, the other travelled the entire universe in record time to see everything, and they came to the same exact answer.

A lot of people know this story, anyone here know what I'm talking about?

I'll give you:

a) 2 points for stating the type of vessel used to crisscross the universe at record speed.
b) (500 points for stating why the particular form was important.)
c) 2 x 10 points for stating the names of the two researchers.
d) 20 points for describing the inductive method used.
e) 2 x 5 points for stating the names of the two who posed the challenge to know the universe.

The first person to hit at least 45 points, will receive a cool and valuable video editing/production/post production-related prize to be determined individually with the winner, based on his or her needs from a list selection with lots of goodies.

Anyone who hits the bell (500+ points) will be awarded beyond the pale.

Serena wrote on 6/2/2007, 1:12 AM
String theory, quantum gravity, entangled particles. Yes, well outside the world of video. The prof makes a great deal more sense than the people who wrote the screenplay for "Sunshine", although that's hardly a reason for believing he'll be proved right. Conditioning? Don't actually comprehend the reference, but is there a whiff of Genesis in the objections to his speculations?
Coursedesign wrote on 6/2/2007, 1:24 AM
No Genesis here, but the people who were taken aback by certain aspects of his otherwise most excellent speech, were probably taken aback by his assertions that the goal of "life, the universe, and everything" was to subjugate everybody else and to build self-replicating robots that would go forth and multiply like viruses, gobbling up resources everywhere, polluting everywhere, and by definition never stopping (unless some other civilization decided that these mutants had to be stopped for the survival of the universe).

It seems like the old idea that if a little bit is good, then more must be better.

Repeat.
Serena wrote on 6/2/2007, 2:21 AM
Fair enough. These things are just ideas, well beyond any possibility of reality. But I'll agree hat we already have too much of the issues you've identified.
Soniclight wrote on 6/2/2007, 9:33 AM
While I don't agree with the rather soul-less (robots are the future) and human-centric conquest-of-environment outcome implied in his predictions, I join those here who support him for being among innovative positive-thinkers.

Cynical, fear-based doom-and-gloom perspectives are all too popular these days.

Otherwise put, one could say that he probably would agree with the essence of the thoughts of a couple of other outside-the-box, trail-blazin' scientific dudes...

"Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction." ~ Albert Einstein

"Anybody who has been seriously engaged is scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'" ~ Max Planck

To which one can add a more literary, applicable-to-anything version....

"Moralities, ethics, laws, customs, beliefs, doctrines - these are of trifling import. All that matters is that the miraculous become the norm." ~ Henry Miller

Yeah, granted, I'm one of those "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" types :)
Coursedesign wrote on 6/2/2007, 12:37 PM
I love the Einstein quote, it is typically brilliant!

When Henry Miller poopooed "moralities," I think he was referring to "moralism," i.e. "the condemnation of those doing whatever the finger-pointer wasn't doing."

I can't understand what he had against ethics though. Anyone know? "Trifling import, eh?

Laws we need only because we can't count on people to have ethics.
farss wrote on 6/2/2007, 5:39 PM
Science is a funny business, we talk about it so much and yet there's more fundamental disciplines that get very, very lttile press.
Following up on your challenge (about which I haven't a clue) I found lots of interesting reading on induction, we still haven't resolved many of the laws of logic and reason, even induction is still a thorny topic.
Soniclight wrote on 6/7/2007, 7:29 PM
Coursedesign,

The Miller quotation you referred to:

"Moralities, ethics, laws, customs, beliefs, doctrines - these are of trifling import. All that matters is that the miraculous become the norm." ~ Henry Miller

You said:



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That quotation by him seems to me to point to your last comment: that " the miraculous become the norm" would be the result of instinctive higher human nature not needing the tools of ethics, laws, morality, etc.

Or to use the title of an old George Harrison song, "Isn't It a Pity" that we still need the outer scaffolding of such things to "do the right thing." In his own wiseguy literary way, Miller seems to lament that we still need the "stick" of these things for us to behave in more miraculous (expansive/inclusive/loving/etc.) ways.

We keep getting caught up and still too often even viciously entangled (and/or entangling others) in dogma -- which comes in many forms: religious, cultural, social, political, etc. One can do without all of these to get the simple, basic stuff, i.e. the so-called Golden Rule.

In short, we make it all so complicated when it's really duh-basic. If we could keep it simple, the miraculous would be come the norm.
That's my chosen interpretation of his quotation..
Coursedesign wrote on 6/7/2007, 8:14 PM
You mean if everybody really got the Golden Rule, we wouldn't need 42,500 traffic laws in Los Angeles alone?

:O)

Thinking about it some more, I'm beginning to think you're right.

Ethics can be seen also as a set of rules. I was seeing it more as a place, an understanding from the heart, a connection between one individual and the rest of the world, a oneness if you will, something that is related to but not identical with the Golden Rule.
Soniclight wrote on 6/9/2007, 9:12 PM
"You mean if everybody really got the Golden Rule, we wouldn't need 42,500 traffic laws in Los Angeles alone? :O) ...."

OK, touche, we do need some things spelled out considering how complex and layered modern society can be. I happen to live in L.A. and know how wacky it can be on the road here.

But even traffic-wise, I bet if one just used some innate common sense, we could get rid of a few thousand of them rules, too!

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As to whether you feel I may be right or not, it's really not my view only. Consider the three quotations that are included in an Op-Ed type piece I wrote a few years ago. Call it my version of the miraculous could become the norm thing.

It was submitted to The New York Times and to Al Jazeera -- neither published it or the illustration I made for it. Probably because it was a bit too kick-ass no-nonsense (universal common sense). Still not a bad piece of scribblin'.

(Hell, my late journalist father may even have considered it passable :)

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