OT: TorS; Pike_Bishop and Grazie Meet! Frank Zappa?

Grazie wrote on 12/2/2003, 3:10 AM
We were few - but it was quality time - at no lesser place than the National Film Theatre Bar . . .We spoke of all things Vegas and SoundForge . . . we drank beer . . . and related our Life Stories . . Frank Zappa made a posthumous appearance too! . . . it was a bit like the Hobbits meeting the 21st Century - HAH!

I was educated into the ways of Right-Clicking on track headers - yes I have used it before . . .

Oh yes: Rendering to New Track appears, to me at least, to make the audio louder . . . .

. . . . great stuff . . .

Grazie

Comments

PeterWright wrote on 12/2/2003, 3:42 AM
Glad it went well Grazie

Now, I've never rendered to new track before, but motivated by your statement I just did.

And you're right - render to new track makes a new copy of the video AND the combined audio, and whilst the new video being on a higher track will replace the previous visuals, the audio doesn't work liie this, so you are hearing double!

You need to either mute the new audio or the previous track(s) to get back to where you started.

Peter
Grazie wrote on 12/2/2003, 3:53 AM
Good point! But look at the graphics of the waveform? Can you see they have lifted? I'm also getting "clipping"? See the tops of the sine curves . . can you see that some are "flattened-off" - well that's what I'm getting. I'm sorry for saying "louder" - although that is also happening, hence I think for the "clipping" I'm getting. Try it again . . I've found I've had to "knock-back" the audio track header value to -2.6 db for it to be New Track rendered without this clipping - yeah?

. . .Swing Low, Sweet Chariot . . . .

Grazie
PeterWright wrote on 12/2/2003, 4:02 AM
Are you starting with one or more audio tracks?

In my try-out, just one track, the after was identical to the before - how about the master slider down there - have you tweaked that in a northerly direction?

Essentially, rendering to new track would be the same as Rendering as, so the new audio should be a direct result of whatever settings you have in the original mix.

"I looked over Jordan, and what did I see ...."
TorS wrote on 12/2/2003, 4:35 AM
Grazie,
I did this: Set up a short cut (from an avi file) on the timeline. Made sure there were no audio fx active; none on the track and none on the bus. I sent the audio through Bus A. and adjusted the gain (both on the track and the Bus A faders, so that the cut played up to but never avove 0 dB. (You CAN play at 0.0 dB and still have the red clipping indicator light up, mine did not.)
I then rendered to new track. Before I played, a deselected all default FX on the new audio track, but i did not touch any level faders. The new track by default, played straight to the master Bus, where I had made no previous adjustments.
Guess what, when soloed, the new audio track played at the exact same level: up to but not above 0,0 dB - and no clipping indicators.
I suspect you have some default level-raising track audo FX going, and it gets doubled on the new track render.

Anyway, thanks for a great welcome to London.
Tor
Grazie wrote on 12/2/2003, 6:26 AM
Thanks Torsie . .good time in Londinium - yeah?

I'll look into the method you suggest. But I tell you what, I really don't think I've got any fx on anything . . . you did suggest that by default I might have something . . is that the Right Click thing?!

Grazie
pike_bishop wrote on 12/3/2003, 12:57 PM
Hi Grazie and Tors

It was good meeting up last friday with you both. I also tried rendering a couple of audio tracks to a new track but didn't experience any increase in volume levels! Sorry about leaving early but I'd had quite a long and boozey lunch as a Flame operator left to go travelling for a few months.

Martin
Grazie wrote on 12/3/2003, 1:28 PM
. . . fader! . . . Seeyah next time BP! - I'm gonna repeat the process where I got this "effect". Torsie and I went to "Last Orders" - HAH!

Grazie