>>>I seriously doubt vegas is the culprit as far as crashing. Check your Win settiings, perhaps a screwed up hard drive going bad, etc. I too have never had a Vegas crash, it just hasn't happened. Why? Cause I'm a techie, i.e, I am very familiar with my system inside and out and I know what things can harm performance or reliability.<<<

Actually if you look around you will find some issues that have been fixed that did cause Vegas to crash. I know you haven't read all of my posts of read all of the discussions over the last few years but when so many people would simply say that Vegas Video never crashed and Premiere crashed all the time I started saying, and it is a real fact, that I had Vegas VIdeo crash more than Premiere. Like what you said many jumped on the "Premiere sucks, Vegas Video rules" bandwagon and just blamed it on the user and/or system. Rarely have the Vegas loyal ever come back and said "oh, sorry" after it was proven to be some internal bug. This is not just me, it is many people...for the most part we *all* tend to look at possible system fault or user error when something crashes because "well it runs fine here". I like to remind people that if Vegas Video was perfect it would still be called Vegas Video, be making billions for SoFo and would still be at Version 1. Fact is Vegas has come a long way from version 1. More users, more systems - Vegas has been one of the only NLE/DAW's that supports almost anything and doesn't need hardware support for certian features to work - and that is part of what seems to always be forgotten. It is impossible for any softwatre to be tested on every single users system.

So having said that - I would say that in most forums when you press people about Premiere you find most crashes seem to come from some sort of "bundle" - people who got the software bundled with a Pinnacle card for example. I got a version bundled with a FASST card and hardly used it...the card worked fine with native Windows 3.1 capture apps. It was so and so with Premiere...but keep in mind I did not start taking Premiere seriously until version 6. I used 5.1 a bit but before that is was all sort of "not what I need". So bringing this up to what you said again - I seriously doubt vegas is the culprit as far as crashing. - I doubt you were working on the same projects that i was working on when it crashed. you weren't working on my system at the time either. When the subject came up and I made the comment I was coming out of Vegas Video 3 and going into Vegas Video 4...and even now with Vegas 6 people have crash issues.

As for being a computer geek - I raise my hand to that. And trust me when I say I have been tweaking PC's for many many years from Amigas to DOS based NLE's like D/Vision and love to refer to BlackVipers pages as well as other tips and hints from around the net. I have never had Premiere Pro 1.5 crash, but also have not used it as much (yet) as vegas 4. (Keep in mind I do not use 5 or 6). Matter of fact read the post I made in this very thread on January 27...after reading it I see most of this response is a bit redundent. So, sorry to burst anyones bubble but Vegas did have issues that caused crashes, still does. Here are a few of the updates in Vegas 6b:
A bug has been fixed that could cause a crash after undoing a marker move if the marker had a long label.

Agreed. Having an Avid Media Composer doesn't make you an editor.

I started with a Bell & Howell super8 hand-wind camera (borrowed from my father), a hand mike from my high school A/V department, and a Wollensak reel-to-reel tape deck. And a little splicer usable for both film and tape, and scotch tape--and a stopwatch. That was our editing studio. (Hey, it was central Arkansas in the late 60s.)

My pals & I made four short films, lots of gimmicks, stop-action road racing, etc. Showed the first one in homeroom & was sent throughout the whole high school where they'd stop a class and have us show it again. By hi school graduation one of the film team's mothers had accidentally thrown out all the reels. All lost.

My folks discouraged this foolhardy enterprise. Went to college, law school, 30 years as a lawyer (incl. 20 as a local NYC playwright). Never lost the bug. Married an actress. Resumed filmmaking in '01, and now getting a final cut ready via Vegas, feature DV shot on a DVX100.

A major-league editor somehow took interest and sat with me, giving notes on the editing. He uses an Avid, was a little fascinated with Vegas. But I learned that editing is not just splicing film together. It's finding the emotion of each moment and enhancing it. It's filmmaking. In many cases, it's saving a film from the director.

Sorry about the memory-lane trip, but it hit me reading this string of posts. Even if our film goes nowhere, I've still achieved what I set out to do 30 years ago. Thanks, Sony & thanks, Madison.
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Really few days ago, I've been to try to use Avid XPres 4.6, and really I can't use it, is quick to start up, but to load or open a video file, I most to format change from mpg1 to avi or quick time to can edit with Avid, and to change of format is very slowly and when finnly I put the video in the timeline of Avid and one want to see the effects is necessary and obligatory to render the effects maked in the video, it isn't on Vegas 6.0 or Premier Pro 1.5 or Mpeg Video Wizard 2005.

For me Avid is a software of the age XV century, he he.
Finally, I uninstalled Avid and I to throw it to the waste basket.

Premier Pro 1.5 is good but the edition tools aren't good like the Vegas' 6.0 edition tools.

Mpeg Video Wizard 2005 is very fast to join many mpeg or avi files, because just works into a level bits and hexadecimal codes.
Mpeg Video Wizard 2005 do not show video frames neither audio wave forms, but the the ruler time is 100% precise, great to make editions precises, The effects are 100% in real time, and you can to render many video and audio file into a one video whit audio inclued.

Unlucky Mpeg Video Wizard 2005 isn't a multy track, just has one video and video track plus one text track and voice track.

I use Vegas 6.0 to do professional editions

I use Mpeg Video Wizard 2005 to cut, to split and join many audio and video mepg files and

I use TMPGEnc Plus delete noise from video and change levels colours or TMPGEnc XPress to render a mpeg file to DVD NTSC / PAL , or to render Vidx or too another templates.

Juan

Yesterday I went to PHOTOKINA in Köln Germany.
This is the most important Multimedia event in Europe!
They where all there: Sony, Canon, Avid, Adobe, with of course Premiere, FCT PRO etc. You name it, it was there.
I went directly to the huge Sony stand and looked around for Vegas.
IT WAS NOT THERE.
I asked several sales people about Vegas, you won’t believe this
They didn’t know what I was talking about, never even heard about it.
They looked at me, as I was coming from Mars.
Felt very disappointed.
Still love Vegas.

I wrote this about a year ago, I have seen a little progress since, my Sony dealer now sells Vegas!!!!
I love Vegas, I use it almost 3 years now and had ONE CRASH!
That was because of the virus updater.
So don’t think twice, get Vegas now.
Eric.

Marco,

Where can we download this gem? I'm very interest to see how well an Auto levels plugin works in Vegas.

Lee

Yes Eric.

Unlucky, in Europe very few people know about Vegas 6.0, Sound Forge 8.0 or Acid Pro 5.0, the main reason is what Europe has their own softwares wich are very know just in the Europe continent, such as Avid, Final Cut Pro HD, Samplitude Professional 8.0, Sequoia 8.0, Nuendo 3.0, Wavlab 5.0, Cubase SX 3, Reason 3.0, Premiere Pro 1.5, Audition Pro 1.5, Ultra 2.0, etc, etc another main reason is what these software runs in Windows and Macitoch plataform.

Remember you the firts and good audio and video editor softwares comes from Gernany.

Juan Pastor

from Lima - Peru (South America)

Newbe... you wrote...

Yesterday I went to PHOTOKINA in Köln Germany.

and

I wrote this about a year ago,

So... I'm a little confused... can you just confirm... is your story really from a year ago?

Have things improved since then?

Liam, it wasn't quite a year ago - it was last october:

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=320358