Pan Crop help

thebrain900 wrote on 1/16/2012, 5:12 PM
I have Movie Studio 8.0 and I am working with an AVi file that is Widescreen.

I want to turn it into a 4:3 Ratio before I Rander As.

So at the end of the clip I click on Event Pan Crop Tab.

And in the screen that opens I click the Dropdown Tab and Pick 4:3 standard TV Ratio.

But the image never changes what am I not doing?

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Chienworks wrote on 1/16/2012, 7:39 PM
Do you have your project properties set up for 4:3?
thebrain900 wrote on 1/16/2012, 9:15 PM
Yes and I have the aspect Ratio set up right to.

The AVi File I am working with was shot in Widescreen and I did this before but I forgot how.

I remember I open Pan Crop Tab and in here I pick from the Dropdown list 4:3 Standard TV Ratio.

And I remember it would get rid of the Top and Bottum bars but it would ad side bars so the picture would still look right.

So I would then have to click something to remove side bars to.

But all of this slipet my mind and I just remember the Pan Crop Tab.

Please help
Thanks
MSmart wrote on 1/17/2012, 12:11 AM
Right click on the event in the timeline and choose Properties. Uncheck Maintain Aspect Ratio. That will get rid of the *very small* side bars.
thebrain900 wrote on 1/17/2012, 11:42 AM
OK let me go through the steps.

First I open Pan Crop Tab and the Dropdown List pick 4"3 Standard TV Ratio.

No am I right this sould get rid of the Latterbox Top and Bottum Black Bars? But nothing happens so I don't have any side Black Bars yet.

What am I doing or not doing in the First step thanks?
Chienworks wrote on 1/17/2012, 3:20 PM
Is the original clip anamorphic widescreen or cropped widescreen? If it's cropped then the clip is actually 4:3 with black bars embedded in it. The 4:3 cropping template won't do anything with that. You would have to drag the cropping border in yourself, manually.
thebrain900 wrote on 1/17/2012, 4:33 PM
I think it is just Widescreen but to make sure when I open Pan Crop and pick 4:3 Standard TV Ratio from the Dropdown list if it is just Widescreen it would Automaticly have an efect on the Video RIGHT?

I would see it take efect in the Preview screen on my Movei Studio?
Chienworks wrote on 1/17/2012, 4:36 PM
Only if it's true anamorphic widescreen. If it's embedded widescreen in a 4:3 frame then that crop template will do nothing.
thebrain900 wrote on 1/27/2012, 5:02 PM
I am sorry it toock me so long to get back to this Topic.

But When I open the Pan Crop Tool from the end of my Video clip I then go the the Top Dropdown list and pick 4:3 TV Standard.

And in the Pan Crop window that is open I se it makes the change.

But when I look at my Movie Studio Previue screen on the Bottum Right hand side it did not change.

Is this how it sould work till you Rander As?
thebrain900 wrote on 1/28/2012, 9:44 PM
Sorry what I meen is this.

When you go into Pan Crop setting and pick 4:3 TV Standard from the dropdown list do I have to make sure some of the other Tabs are clicked on that are on the Left hand side.

And then click the X to close this screen or do I have to click OK or Save or something?
Chienworks wrote on 1/29/2012, 4:36 AM
Let's ask again ...

Is the original clip anamorphic widescreen or cropped widescreen? If it's cropped then the clip is actually 4:3 with black bars embedded in it. The 4:3 cropping template won't do anything with that. You would have to drag the cropping border in yourself, manually.
MSmart wrote on 1/29/2012, 7:47 PM
It may also help if you open the video file with MediaInfo in text mode and post the results here.

To answer your earlier question, as long as the cursor is over the video event (clip) the preview will change as you *manually* make changes in the pan/crop window. That is, you'll see the changes in real-time. Nothing to save, just click the X to close.
thebrain900 wrote on 1/30/2012, 1:23 PM
Here is the text readout

General
Complete name : E:\Video\Movies And TV\Batman And Robin.VOB
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 6.59 GiB
Duration : 41mn 48s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 22.6 Mbps

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Duration : 41mn 48s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.3 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 9 800 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan order : 2:3 Pulldown
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.446
Stream size : 5.92 GiB (90%)

Audio #1
ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 41mn 47s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 134 MiB (2%)

Audio #2
ID : 189 (0xBD)-130 (0x82)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 41mn 47s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 134 MiB (2%)

Audio #3
ID : 189 (0xBD)-131 (0x83)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 41mn 48s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 57.4 MiB (1%)

Audio #4
ID : 189 (0xBD)-137 (0x89)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 41mn 47s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 755 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 226 MiB (3%)

Text #1
ID : 189 (0xBD)-32 (0x20)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding
Muxing mode : DVD-Video

Text #2
ID : 189 (0xBD)-33 (0x21)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding
Muxing mode : DVD-Video

Text #3
ID : 189 (0xBD)-34 (0x22)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 41mn 39s

Text #4
ID : 224 (0xE0)-DVD-2
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

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Chienworks wrote on 1/30/2012, 3:49 PM
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9

OK, that answers the question that it really is anamorphic. Will ponder some more ...
MSmart wrote on 1/30/2012, 8:27 PM
So, you're trying to convert your 16:9 Batman DVD to 4:3?

Why?

What are you going to watch it on? That is, what format are you rendering to?
MSmart wrote on 1/30/2012, 9:06 PM
Question, when you put this video on the timeline and set your project properties to NTSC DV Widescreen (720x480), do you see the black bars in the preview window?

If yes, what program did you use to rip the DVD onto your PC? Also if yes, you may want to change the settings in the program you used. If set correctly, you shouldn't get any black bars. That is, unless it's already that way on the DVD.

If you don't see the black bars, set the project properties to NTSC DV (720x480), use Pan/Crop with the 4:3 preset, right click on the video event and choose Properties and uncheck Maintain Aspect Ratio. Render.
thebrain900 wrote on 1/30/2012, 9:09 PM
I will be playiing it on a Standard 4:3 TV None Wide Screen/.

But aside from this I did this with this same video clip I think last Year and it worked.
This is what got me I am useing this with win7 if this helps.
MSmart wrote on 1/30/2012, 9:36 PM
When you crop the video, you're going to lose parts of the left and right sides of the video. I'm not sure it's worth the effort. But that's your prerogative.

Using Win7 doesn't make a difference.

Please answer my other questions regarding the black bars.
thebrain900 wrote on 1/31/2012, 12:56 PM
I whent into File then Preferances and it has for Tamplet NTSC DV 720x480 and after I go into Pan Crop and pick 4:3 Ratio I right click on the video in thwe Timline and and take the check out of Maintane Aspect Ratio.

And nothing changes.

But when I am in Pan Crop and pick 4:3 Ratio I do see it change in the Pan Crop screen but this is the only place it changes?
thebrain900 wrote on 1/31/2012, 1:29 PM
I think I can help a little more.

The Batman movie I have is on DVD so I Decripted it and have the .VOB File of my computer and can play it every now and then and it works.

I wanted to take a Clip out of it and edit it and play with it and Movie Studio can open it but it want let you move through the movie.

You can move the Timeline buit it never goes to were you want and it Locksup.


So I try Import from the File menu and this give the same thing.

So I thought to checnge File extantion to .mpg and same thing.

So I thought since I can open it just don't movie through it just open it in the Timeline and Rander As Uncompressed .avi and then i9t does and I can then open it in the Timeline and movie throught it just fine.

But since I Randered As Uncompressed avi am I right that this may be why the 4:3 Ratio never changes because I have re encoded it even though I did it as Uncompressed?
MSmart wrote on 1/31/2012, 9:15 PM
OK, now that's useful information.

The reason you can't move through the video and why it's locking up on you is because your decrypted file is corrupted. That is to say, the video and audio timestamps in the file are not good. Those timestamps are needed by the mpeg decoder in VMS to determine where it is in the timeline. Bad timestamps don't allow it to move in the timeline, hence it freezes.

I suggest you download (and register) a trial version of VideoReDo and run your decrypted file through it's Quick Stream Fix utility. It will fix the timestamp issue allowing you to edit it in VMS. The reason you have to register the trial version is so you can save more than 15-minutes of video at a time.

While VMS is a great product and has its place as a video editor, VideoRedo is better suited for editing mpeg sources such as yours.

I have both VMS and VideoReDo and use each program for what it does best. Think of it as having multiple tools in your tool box and using the correct one for each job.

If you do download the trial version of VideoReDo, you can do the cropping directly in VRD and not even need to bring it into VMS. Again, the right tool for the job.
thebrain900 wrote on 2/2/2012, 5:15 PM
First off thank you for getting back to me and for all your help.

But if I bring my Video into VideoReDo will it let me save it as Uncompressed?
MSmart wrote on 2/2/2012, 7:17 PM
Uncompressed AVI? No and you wouldn't need to. Save it as an mpeg file which will be easier when you burn it to DVD.
thebrain900 wrote on 2/2/2012, 9:11 PM
If it is a Trial verson and I have to register it so it will let me do a video longer then 15 Min. then do I ever have to Buy it?
MSmart wrote on 2/2/2012, 9:50 PM
No, you don't have to buy it. The trial lasts for 15 days.